Venice With The Girls

Lyrics

(1) 

Mocking mad seniors
Fed up and tedious
Long nights in Britland (2)


Oh they're nice nice nice
His skin was in default
too beautiful to talk

he's been waiting

(Past it!)

Lonesome, lonely

She's off to Venice with the girls, he's been waiting so long (3)
She's off to Venice with the girls, he's been waiting so long

In Britland, oldernessness
His skin, whose is it?
Too beautiful
The best thing for you to do is hide


He's been waiting so long
Yeah he's been waiting so long
For the right month to go
He's been waiting all night long


Best thing, best thing, 
Long nights in Britland
Underness, his skin, whose is it
Too beautiful, best thing, best thing for to do is hide (4)


She's off to Venice with the girls, she's off to Venice with the girls
He's been waiting so long
Lonesome lonely, lonesome lonely
Lonesome lonely, lonesome lonely



He's been waiting so long, he's been waiting so long
He's been waiting so long, he's been waiting so long
He's been waiting so long, he's been waiting so long
Lonesome lonely, lonesome lonely


She's off to Venice with the girls, he's been waiting so long
She's off to Venice with the girls, he's been waiting so long 
She's off to Venice with the girls, lonesome lonely
She's off to Venice with the girls, lonesome lonely
 

Notes

1. This was originally titled "Gone to Venice." The Fall played in the general vicinity of Venice a couple of months before this debuted in late 2014, which may have had something to do with the genesis of the song. 

The song is also apparently inspired by a television advertisement for Staysure travel insurance. A woman (an "over-fifty") is packing for a trip, and talking to the camera about travel insurance.  Suddenly, a horn honks, and she leans out the window and bids her husband goodbye, saying "I hope you get a hole in one!" Turning back to the camera, she explains: "Me?! [a bit conspiratorially:] I'm off to Venice with the girls! Why should be a 'golf widow'? Not when Staysure have covered!"

From a recent feature in magazine:

There are some song titles on Sub-Ligual Tablet of reassuring excellence [some praise for "Stout Man"]...Venice with the Girls, inspired by Smith seeing a TV advert for travel insurance--he acts it out, swirling [sic] his bottle over his shoulder: "He's away on his golf holiday. Me? I'm off to Venice with the girls!" 

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2. We originally had "bread land," which led to speculation that may be entirely beside the point (in retrospect, the "Tlaxcala" stuff is particularly amusing). But at times I can still sort of hear it, as usual. Here's the original note on "bread land":

Dan asks, "Does this mean "land of the rich" i.e. bread = money?

Or does it refer to a particular place, like Tlaxcala, which is sometimes translated as "land of bread"? Or other regions that get similarly labelled?" "Tlaxcala" is thought to perhaps mean "tortilla" in Nahuatl, the Aztec language. 

Martin suggests "Perhaps 'Bread land' is 'Hovis Land,' as in The Fall's 'That Man.'" My note there for "Hovis" reads:

Hovis is an English brand of bread. A 1973 television advertisement (directed by Ridley Scott) depicting a boy delivering Hovis on a bicycle accompanied by Dvorak's New World Symphony is one of the most famous spots of all time in Britain. The ad played on nostalgia for rural and village life, and "Hovis land" may be another reference to a supposedly "heathen" Britain. Also, Hovis is associated with nostalgia in the lyrics to "Just Step S'Ways." It is also mentioned more obliquely in "H.O.W."

So "bread land" may refer to a certain kitschy, pastoral England, which would be appropriate in context as way of emphasizing the banality of the narrator's married, middle class English life which his wife is escaping by traveling to Venice (and which, by implication, the narrator may also be escaping with the departure of his wife). 

It has also been suggested in the comments below that the lyric is in fact "inbred land." This is possible, and may even be complementary in meaning to "bread land" in which case both may be intended. 

[Note that we now have "Britland," which is the lyric as quoted in an interview with MES in which the journalist may or may not have checked the lyric with the author. I like to think he did. In any case, it sounds right. So why is this still here? "That Man" and it's reference to "Hovis Land" still nags at me.]

^

3. Two points of reference have been suggested for this line: Cream's 1967 song "Sunshine of Your Love," and David Bowie's "Look Back in Anger," from 1979. The delivery is a little more like the refrain of the Bowie song, but Cream's song is probably burned on everyone's psyche (at least everyone in a certain, fairly wide, age range) so may have been somewhere in the back of MES's head even if it isn't consciously intended. So despite the greater similarity with Bowie, I would wager that it's either 1. an allusion to Cream, or 2. an allusion to Bowie and, secondarily, to Cream (indeed the Bowie song may be alluding to Cream to begin with, so there's just too many ways for Cream to weasel into it to ignore). 

^

4. MES appeared on the British comedy/variety show The Adam and Joe Show in a recurring segment called "Vinyl Justice." The premise is that Adam and Joe are policement who raid celebrities' "homes" (often actually a set, as appears to be the case with MES) and check the subject's record collection for anything embarrassing or amusing. In MES's segment, he plays a song called "Little Diesel Driving Devil,"  by Don Bowman:

He's the fastest thing alive
When he puts that truck in overdrive
The safest thing for you to do is hide

MES seems to have a love for truck driving songs (which are usually Country & Western kitsch, although many classic songs belong to the genre--some of which are classics but also kitsch). These appear on countless compilations, often sold at truck stops (and sometimes nowhere else) and sometimes featuring exclusive material. It has been suggested that he got "White Line Fever" from a rendition by Bud Brewer which was featured on a trucking compilation--when we consider that Merle Haggard's version is one of the greatest records of the 20th century, this could almost be seen as the equivalent of covering George Harrison's "Something" after hearing Donny Osmond sing it...

...actually that's totally unfair, I haven't heard Brewer do it (it stays off the internet), and he may do it justice. It would be impossible to improve on, though, and although this determination is a priori in the case of Brewer, in the Fall's case I was able to confirm it empirically...

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Comments (34)

dannyno
  • 1. dannyno | 11/05/2015

Note that there was an infamously awful UK TV advert which included the line, "I'm off to Venice with the girls". Could, or could also, be a reference to that.

See: http://annotatedfall.doomby.com/pages/sub-lingual-tablet/venice-with-the-girls.html

vegetables
  • 2. vegetables | 16/05/2015

somewhat obscure but the line "the best thing for you to do is hide" with that same phrasing is featured in a trucking song called little diesel driving devil that mark likes or something, as featured here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpdiGGWlqLg&t=1m30s

dannyno
  • 3. dannyno | 26/05/2015

Interview with MES in Q Magazine, July 2015, contains confirmation of my theory about the lyrical inspiration for this song (p.55):

"inspired by Smith seeing a TV advert for travel insurance - he acts it out, swirling his bottle over his shoulder: "He's away on his golf holiday. Me? I'm off to Venice with the girls!"

Bovy Thomas Velda
  • 4. Bovy Thomas Velda | 27/05/2015

It's actually about wives who go on holiday, or vacation as we say here. US
Tom, me, is the lonely one.
On the phone he mentioned he was watching it, and made hilarious related comments. And apparently he had found the groove already, to this fantastic example of his...

Bovy Thomas Velda
  • 5. Bovy Thomas Velda | 28/05/2015

Oh... it's not, bad thing, it's "bat man".
Inside joke...get it

dannyno
  • 6. dannyno | 29/05/2015

I put the wrong link in my first post there, linked back to here!

Here's my transcription of the advert:

http://z1.invisionfree.com/thefall/index.php?showtopic=39284&view=findpost&p=22460213

.Book the flights, and the hotel. Nearly finished packing. All thanks to Staysure Travel Insurance.

See, Staysure specialise in insurance for over 50s. Just as well, with my knee replacement, John's high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and bunions. We thought we'd never afford to go away again.

Staysure include 220 pre-existing medical conditions in their cover for free. 12 months cover for two of us cost just £79.

<parp parp>

Bye! Hope you get a hole in one!

Me? I'm off to Venice with the girls.

Well, why should I be a golf widow? Not when Staysure have it covered.

psychicpowerless
  • 7. psychicpowerless | 31/05/2015

The refrain "Waiting so long, he's been waiting so long..." sounds like it's been copped from 'Look Back in Anger' by David Bowie.

dannyno
  • 8. dannyno | 03/06/2015

"Bread land"

Does this mean "land of the rich" i.e. bread = money?

Or does it refer to a particular place, like Tlaxcala (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlaxcala), which is sometimes translated as "land of bread"? Or other regions that get similarly labelled?

Martin
  • 9. Martin | 04/06/2015

Perhaps "Bread land" is "Hovis Land", as in The Fall's That Man?

dannyno
  • 10. dannyno | 06/06/2015

Yes, I wondered about that.

dannyno
  • 11. dannyno | 06/06/2015

"... been waiting so long"

Is there an echo here of "Sunshine of your love"?

police truck
  • 12. police truck | 09/06/2015

Loneless inbred land.

Makes more sense to me.

Inbred land

russell richardson
  • 13. russell richardson | 15/07/2015

yes
but what is the chant in the chorus???

Smash Hits?
Smash hands?

I also prefer inbred land
but only if we can have in breadland too

bzfgt
  • 14. bzfgt | 17/07/2015

I agree the chorus chant definitely isn't "best thing," I'm actually going to delete that until we figure it out. But what is the inside joke of "bat man?"

"Inbred land" will be noted as an alternative.

bzfgt
  • 15. bzfgt | 17/07/2015

Huh, it looks like I deleted the "best things" last time I was here. So we are in default here, much like "his skin." It doesn't sound to me like he says the exact same thing every time, but "smash hands" is the closest suggestion yet to what it sounds like to me...

dannyno
  • 16. dannyno | 21/02/2016

Just for the record, MES' trucking compilation is this one:
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Keep-On-Truckin/release/5036392

harleyr
  • 17. harleyr | 11/03/2016

On the Wise Ol' Man EP, the break vocal sounds like 'Bad fit!' to me. Could be referring to the relationship between the protagonist and his soon to be absent wife.

bzfgt
  • 18. bzfgt | 19/03/2016

Awesome, harley, you crack that and Fall-dom will Fall at your feet! I will check it and see how plausible it is throughout.

bzfgt
  • 19. bzfgt | 19/03/2016

OK, I put one in, which could imply it runs throughout and could not so imply. I'm convinced that at least some of them could be "bad fit!" but like every other suggestion for this, some of them sound more like this than others.

Note other refrains have been slippery in this way..."Fall advice" sometimes rings clear and sometimes sounds like it's "Fall advance," as many have noted...I think there are other examples but maybe not, I can't recall them right now if they exist...

Gizmoman
  • 20. Gizmoman | 21/03/2016

I think it's "past it!" as in too old, he's been waiting so long (for his freedom - his wife's away) he's now past it.

bzfgt
  • 21. bzfgt | 24/03/2016

OK, I got excited again. I now hear "Past it!" and used that, but I'm still not confident enough to say that's what he says every time...yet that is the sole suggestion to date that I can talk myself into hearing on just about every repetition, so you might actually have it...have to let it stew for a while.

Kevin Lock III
  • 22. Kevin Lock III | 30/03/2016

The location of the MES Vinyl Justice episode was in Adam Buxton's flat in Camberwell. AB told me that himself.

Wrayx8
  • 23. Wrayx8 | 26/04/2016

No chance it's "inbred land" in the 3rd line?

bzfgt
  • 24. bzfgt | 14/05/2016

Kevin: cool, who is Adam Buxton, is that one of those people only English people have heard of? Are you being straight with us (not meaning to be a insulting question, just making sure this isn't some brit joke that I don't get or something)?

Wray Wray Wray: yes it's certainly possible but to me the inflection suggests "bread land" and also the alternative is ungrammatical.

dannyno
  • 25. dannyno | 05/06/2016

Adam Buxton is a minor TV comedy performer, with Joe Cornish he presented Channel 4's "The Adam and Joe Show", which ran from 1996-2001. "Vinyl Justice" was a feature of that show.

Dan

dannyno
  • 26. dannyno | 05/06/2016

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adam_and_Joe_Show#Vinyl_Justice


In 2009, Adam revealed on their BBC 6 Music show that some of the stars' 'homes' were not actually their own.

bzfgt
  • 27. bzfgt | 29/06/2016

That's all already in there, Dan, isn't it? Or am I missing something? Or your comments were my source and I'm doubling back on myself again.

dannyno
  • 28. dannyno | 21/08/2016

The september 2015 issue of Mojo has an interview with MES. There's a section on lyrics, which includes this reading of the lyrics of this song:


Mocking mad seniors
Fed up and tedious
Long nights in Britland


"It's every young feller I know", says MES

http://thefall.org/news/pics/2016-09_Mojo.pdf

Now, whether that lyric is actually MES confirmed or a guess by the writer, I don't know. But it's better than what we have, I think.

bzfgt
  • 29. bzfgt | 25/08/2016

I am running with that shit! At least we had "Fed up and tedious" right...

bzfgt
  • 30. bzfgt | 25/08/2016

I wish they'd quoted the whole $%# song...that is, album...that is, oeuvre...

bzfgt
  • 31. bzfgt | 25/08/2016

I didn't have the heart to delete the "bread land" note but next time I'm here I most likely will...it's kind of shoddy leaving it in, I guess.

dannyno
  • 32. dannyno | 13/02/2017

Google is broken so I have nothing to add.

dannyno
  • 33. dannyno | 01/04/2017

This track has a syllable density which is precisely 2 standard deviations from the Fall's arithmetic mean for songs in the length range.

bzfgt
  • 34. bzfgt (link) | 01/04/2017

Shit, I must incorporate this knowledge immediately!

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