Cary Grant's Wedding

Lyrics

(1)

(I said shut up!)
Everybody go Cary Grant's wedding
Everybody go Cary Grant's wedding

Champagne hip hip hooray
Thank you folks for coming today
How much was the price on the door?
Sure it's worth a whole lot more

I said go to Cary Grant's wedding
All you folks and fools  (2)
Cary Grant's Wedding

All you folks and fools
Have been invited to 
A new-wave personality 
Stumbles out of the ruins  
Cos he's been invited to 
Cary Grant's wedding  (3)

Buster Keaton he turned up
He wasn't an old woman 
He didn't take hallucigens (4)

A poor mate for Cary Grant
Slaughterer of innocents  (5)
Add on 30 years 
And you've got Jake Burns  (6)
Joe Strummer

All you're going to
Cary Grant's wedding
A new-wave Hollywood
Where everybody's good
But not great

Cary Grant's wedding

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Notes

1. According to Reformation, "Cary Grant was married five times, in 1935, 1942, 1949. 1965 and, most interesting for pre-cog specialists, on April 11 1981, about 18 months after the song was first played in concert." According to Raging Ostler, "The last lines are the key to this song. It's having a go at the post punk British music scene devolving into a sub-Hollywood star system, that kind of thing. Musicians falling back into the old thing of behaving like stars. Not sure of the relevance of Cary Grant, except as a chance to refer to LSD."

Grant famously experimented with LSD (see note 4). In fact, the title may be an oblique way of referring to an acid trip, as Mac comments:

"I watched a Cary Grant documentary a few weeks ago. A thought occurred that the 'Wedding' referred to might be an Alchemical Wedding. Those hippy 60's guys often compared taking acid to an Alchemical experience. Pre-that "New Age" stuff The Alchemical Wedding most referred to was taken from the 'Chymical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz,' Johann Valentin Andreae. (1459). In that wedding all sorts of characters are invited and stumble upon it. Just a thought given MES's broad, un-childish bloody reading habits."

^

2. Dan: "There's an old blues song by Funny Papa Smith called "Fool's Blues", which has the lines: 'Some people tell me that god takes care of old folks and fools But since I been born they must 'ta have changed his rules.'"

This may not have anything to do with the lyrics here, but it's a darn good line anyway, isn't it?

^

3. Martin identifies the following lines in the 1980/11/5 reading of the song (somewhere in London):

"Yoko Ono stumbles out of the ruins; save your anger for the publishing wolverines; keep it for the K- Tel marines...A new wave personality stumbles out of the ruins...a tenth rate Pole man and here he is, the man and his cronies... OK, maybe a [?] bit more bars [?]. And if I have a preference for Cary Grant, slaughterer of innocents. Add on thirty years and you've got Mark E Smith."

Here we have the earliest, so far, identified instance of a Wolverine reference. Adapted from my notes to "Arid Al's Dream":

Wolverines also figure in "Bury 1+3," "Service," "Clasp Hands," and "Session Musician," in each case somewhat opaquely. The wolverine is sort of a mini-theme, then, one that has persisted at a low level of intensity for 30 or more years. It isn't clear to me what is going on with wolverines. Wolverine is one of the X-Men in the Marvel series of the same name, a mutant with superpowers who fights evil criminals. At times this Wolverine, or anyway someone called "Wolverine," could possibly be intended, as in "Bury 1+3," when MES proclaims "I'm Wolverine." The reference in "Arid Al's Dream" is less clear. On the one hand, while it would be unusual to drop an indefinite article, it must be observed that MES drops the definite article as much as any native Russian speaker who is starting to learn English ("Behind tormentor was wolverine," so the usage would be parallel, as the definite article preceding "tormentor" has also been ditched). And in some instances, for instance "Service" ("Time of the wolverines"), it seems relatively clear that the word is not being used as a name. It is simplest to assume that MES uses it to mean roughly the same thing each time he sings it, either the animal or someone named after the animal, which makes Marvel's Wolverine somewhat unlikely to be the answer to our question, but the possibility cannot be completely dismissed based on the current evidence.

^

4.  The second line of the stanza is possibly "He was an old woman." Dr. X O'Skeleton suggests this could be a taunt that is directed at Keaton due to his avoidance of LSD. However, existing versions seem to corroborate "wasn't an old woman," according to our correspondent (Martin). 

Cary Grant and Barbara Hutton lived on Buster Keaton's former estate in Beverly Hills (Dan). Grant was really into LSD, which he said brought him inner peace.

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5. The phrase "Slaughter (or 'Massacre') of the Innocents" usually refers to the story in the Bible that relates that Herod had all the male children in the Jerusalam area killed to avoid losing his kingdom to a prophesied King of the Jews who was about to be born. It's not entirely clear whether Grant or his "mate" Buster Keaton is the slaughterer in this context, but see note 3 above where it seems to be Grant.

^

6. Burns was the guitarist and singer of Stiff Little Fingers, and Strummer performed the same functions in the Clash.

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Comments (65)

Raging zoster
  • 1. Raging zoster | 23/01/2015
Is it not "How much was the price on the door / Sure it's worth a whole lot more"?

The last lines are the key to this song. It's having a go at the post punk British music scene devolving into a sub-Hollywood star system, that kind of thing. Musicians falling back into the old thing of behaving like stars. Not sure of the relevance of Cary Grant, except as a chance to refer to LSD.
Raging Ostler
  • 2. Raging Ostler | 23/01/2015
PS thank you autocorrect, for making me spell my own name wrong there.
Raging Ostler
  • 3. Raging Ostler | 23/01/2015
PS thank you autocorrect, for making me spell my own name wrong there.
bzfgt
  • 4. bzfgt | 31/01/2015
Now that you mention it yes, definitely..."door."
dannyno
  • 5. dannyno | 28/03/2016
From the Daily Mail, 12 June 1979, "Nigel Dempster's Mail Diary" (p19):


Despite reports in America that Cary intends to make Barbara his fifth wife, there is no chance of it happening - he is happy to remain single, although he depends on her greatly for advice and companionship.


Oops.
bzfgt
  • 6. bzfgt | 30/04/2016
According to Wikipedia, he indeed married Barbara Harris in 1981...
dannyno
  • 7. dannyno | 12/06/2016
Exactly, ironic.

Dan
dannyno
  • 8. dannyno | 12/06/2016
The song was only played 9 times, first in November 1979. Were the lyrics complete in November 1979?

Dan
Martin
  • 9. Martin | 04/12/2016
In answer to Dannyno's question, yes, the lyrics were pretty much complete, as far as a couple of listens to very murky recordings (12 November 1979: Preston Polytechnic;18 November 1979: Marquee, London) has allowed me to tell. Buster Keaton's there, as is Jake Burns. No Joe Strummer, though. And there's a reference to the (I assume it's the "new wave personality" though this isn't at all clear "stumbling out of the ruins {having] "just played the Marquee". At least, I think that's what MES says.

There are a couple of lyrical variation - or maybe we should call them ad-libs - in one later performance:

November 80 London (exact date unknown)


- "A new wave personality stumbles out of the ruins... ten great Pole men and here he is, the man and his cronies... OK, maybe (...). And if I have a preference for Cary Grant, slaughterer of innocents. Add on thirty years and you've got Mark E Smith."
dannyno
  • 10. dannyno | 20/12/2016
A reference to Tenpole Tudor's frontman Ed Tudor-Pole, there?
bzfgt
  • 11. bzfgt | 27/12/2016
Whoa, that's a cool ad lib. "Cary Grant, slaughterer of innocents" is what jumps out as cool. Is that a reference to a particular movie or is he just being vicious?
bzfgt
  • 12. bzfgt | 27/12/2016
Also odd because I presume he means "take away 30 years and you've got..."?
dannyno
  • 13. dannyno | 28/12/2016
Cary Grant never played a villain, did he? So either MES is being obtuse, or he got the actor wrong. "Slaughterer of innocents" (or is it "innocence"?) sounds like Herod, or someone...

Dan
dannyno
  • 14. dannyno | 28/12/2016
... I see Herod is already in the notes.
dannyno
  • 15. dannyno | 22/02/2017
"All you folks and fools"

There's an old blues song by Funny Papa Smith called "Fool's Blues", which has the lines:


Some people tell me that god takes care of old folks and fools
But since I been born they must 'ta have changed his rules
dannyno
  • 16. dannyno | 22/02/2017
Or is it "Funny Paper" Smith. Anyway, it's definitely J.T. Smith.
Dr X O'Skeleton
  • 17. Dr X O'Skeleton | 17/05/2017
My reading of the Buster Keaton line was "he was a old woman" because he didn't take hallucinogens, old women being colloquially disapproving and risk-averse in UK parlance
bzfgt
  • 18. bzfgt (link) | 18/05/2017
Damn, Dr. X, all your comments throw the transcription into question! If you're not findimg egg corns, we're going to have to go back to the drawing board...as usual, can anyone corroborate, or think they can do the opposite?
dannyno
  • 19. dannyno | 19/05/2017
Comment #17: it could be "he was an old woman". Perfectly plausible. Works just as well, if not slightly better since Dr X O'Skeleton is right about the potential meaning of "old woman". But it's not completely certain to my ears.

Probably irrelevant, but there is a famous Buston Keaton scene from "Sherlock Junior" (1924), where he leaps from a window into an old woman disguise.
dannyno
  • 20. dannyno | 01/06/2017
Do we have it recorded anywhere that Cary Grant and Barbara Hutton lived on Buster Keaton's former estate in Beverly Hills?
bzfgt
  • 21. bzfgt (link) | 06/07/2017
No, I had no idea.
bzfgt
  • 22. bzfgt (link) | 06/07/2017
I'd like to get some clarity on the "wasn't a/was an old" line, I'll have to listen to live versions, and I would encourage you all to do the same...we should be able to at least move the needle from 50/50, no?
Martin
  • 23. Martin | 10/07/2017
There's not that many live versions to go on, but I'll get onto it in due course..
Martin
  • 24. Martin | 10/07/2017
Actually, we have nothing but live versions to listen to, since a studio version was never released and possibly never recorded.
Martin
  • 25. Martin | 12/07/2017
I've listened to the versions of the song as played on 18 November 1979 and 29 February 1980 and it's pretty clear to me that the line is that "Buster Keaton wasn't an old woman".

By the way, I also listened to the November 1980 rendition of the track and have accordingly edited/extended the appropriate entry on the Pithy Smithisms section on the Reformation! website. The ad-libs now read:

- "Yoko Ono stumbles out of the ruins; save your anger for the publishing wolverines; keep it for the K- Tel marines...A new wave personality stumbles out of the ruins...a tenth rate Pole man and here he is, the man and his cronies... OK, maybe a (?) bit more bars (?). And if I have a preference for Cary Grant, slaughterer of innocents. Add on thirty years and you've got Mark E Smith."

(Note the earliest - as known up to now - reference to "wolverines" in MES-speak.)

I've also upgraded the known number of performances of the song to 12, thus rendering comment no.8 obselete.
dannyno
  • 26. dannyno | 12/07/2017
Martin, comment #25. Interesting reference to Yoko Ono. How do we know it's definitely from November 1980? I ask because of course Lennon was killed at the beginning of December 1980.
dannyno
  • 27. dannyno | 12/07/2017
Cary Grant, "Slaughterer of Innocents".

So I've been looking again at Grant's film credits. "Arsenic and Old Lace"? That's got marriage in it, and murder, albeit Cary Grant's character doesn't actually kill anyone....

I
Martin
  • 28. Martin | 13/07/2017
Answer to comment no. 26: I suppose we don't know for sure. It was published as such on the first Official Fall Website gigographies, and has remained unquestioned ever since.
bzfgt
  • 29. bzfgt (link) | 15/07/2017
Fuck! I thought I was almost done for the night, but a new "wolverine" reference means a lot of work!
bzfgt
  • 30. bzfgt (link) | 15/07/2017
And of course the phrase "Slaughter of the Innocents" originally refers to Herod's killing male children to try to prevent the whole Jesus fiasco, I think... Wikipedia will be helpful.
bzfgt
  • 31. bzfgt (link) | 15/07/2017
Oh, shit, that's already in my notes....there's one thing sorted.
bzfgt
  • 32. bzfgt (link) | 15/07/2017
Reformation! narrows it down, rightly or wrongly, to November 5th, although the venue is still unknown.
bzfgt
  • 33. bzfgt (link) | 15/07/2017
Shit! I forgot that, which I forgot, you are Reformation, I totally forgot (I also mentioned this it to you on whatever other song you posted about this on)--do you recall where this information originated?
dannyno
  • 34. dannyno | 15/07/2017
Is it not from the 2004 reissues of the Acklam Hall Live in London/Legendary Chaos Tape, where additional tracks described merely as "Live in London" were included?
Martin
  • 35. Martin | 16/07/2017
Re comment no. 34:

Yes, that's true. The track info for the reissue states: "Live in London, November 1980".

Now there are other songs played at the same gig:

https://sites.google.com/site/reformationposttpm/gig-reviews/the-fall-live/1980-gigs/19801105---unknown-venue-london

so presumably there was some information pre-2004 about this concert. Whether the information was accurate or not is another matter. When did the first Fall gigography appear on the net and was this gig included in it? Actually, there are not so many concerts for which "unknown venue" is recorded, so the fact that three songs from this one were included on an official release is odd to say the least (leaving aside the Receiver compilations/27 Points live (or live-ish) releases, which is a whole other kettle of Fall fish.
dannyno
  • 36. dannyno | 16/07/2017
Stefan's gigography dates back to the 1990s. It's only partially in the Internet Archive Wayback machine, so it won't be possible to trace it's appearance.
dannyno
  • 37. dannyno | 16/07/2017
On the FOF on 25 January 2015, GrumpyNorthernGit reported that he had a recording, labelled as The Venue, London, 23/11/1980, which purported to be the source of the additional tracks. The gig is unlisted anywhere, and he didn't himself know for sure that it was what it claimed to be.

http://z1.invisionfree.com/thefall/index.php?showtopic=3410&view=findpost&p=22446811
Martin
  • 38. Martin | 18/07/2017
Conway Paton posting on Fallnet (August 11, 2004) referring to the bonus tracks on the reissued Live In London album:

"The last 4 words are crap - they are tracks from another live recording
in London, November 1980. I know because I sent them to Sanctuary."

Subsequent question from jacurtis:

"Just out of curiousity, where are these live tracks you're giving Sanctuary coming from? I mean, are these things from your own collection, or what? "

Conway: "Yeah, from my collection. I've been through Sanctuary's master tape library listing and there's not much unreleased stuff there at all. Sadly."

Completely irrelevant and erase completely if you want but the conversation continued:

JC on Slates:
> this looks *so* much better than the version
> stupidly-paired with APOAT, an album which I never much
> liked..

Yeah, I'm pleased that Sanctuary agreed to split them up - gives Slates the status that it really deserves. And actually, it was the most practical option given the amount of bonus material being added to both Slates & APOAT.

Another thing that bugged me was how Lie Dream/Fantastic Life had always been stuck on Room To Live CD reissues (for timing convenience), when chronologically and stylistically they really belonged with Slates. So that's now fixed. Means we now have to find something else to put with RTL, I suppose....

> Any idea what the bonus HEH material might end up being?

I have proposed a tracklisting to Sanctuary, but it's still not confirmed. HEH will be in the next batch of reissues, probably just before Christmas. My suggestion is a 2 disc set with the original album on CD1 and CD2 containing Peel session #5 (Deer Park / Look, Know / Winter / Who Makes The Nazis?); Look Know, I'm Into CB; and 6 live tracks that I have sent to Sanctuary. I can't say what the live tracks are until they've been cleared.
bzfgt
  • 39. bzfgt (link) | 22/07/2017
Have you contacted Conway about this? I'm happy to do it but I assume there's a 90% chance you've done it already, if not I'll email him.
Martin
  • 40. Martin | 24/07/2017
No, I haven't. Could you? Thanks in advance!
bzfgt
  • 41. bzfgt (link) | 29/07/2017
Crap, for some reason I thought I was talking to Dan, hence the "90% chance." Yes, I'm happy to do it.
bzfgt
  • 42. bzfgt (link) | 31/07/2017
We're out of luck, here's Conway's response:

There were only 3 bonus tracks: Cary Grant's Wedding, Totally Wired & The NWRA. They come from a bootleg tape that was simply notated as London November 1980. Venue and actual date not known.
mac
  • 43. mac | 12/10/2019
I watched a Cary Grant documentary a few weeks ago. A thought occurred that the "Wedding" referred to might be an Alchemical Wedding. Those hippy 60's guys often compared taking acid to an Alchemical experience.

Pre-that "New Age" stuff The Alchemical Wedding most referred to was taken from the "Chymical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz", Johann Valentin Andreae. (1459). In that wedding all sorts of characters are invited and stumble upon it. Just a thought given MES's broad, un-childish bloody reading habits.

https://39514839f4a6dc8a84ae-eaa972a576b84b28f1b3596cd9812f8f.ssl.cf5.rackcdn.com/chymical_wedding.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chymical_Wedding_of_Christian_Rosenkreutz
mac
  • 44. mac | 29/12/2019
I notice that post re-the  Alchemical connotations of taking acid is now part of the notes, thankyou! 

Taking acid/mushrooms has always had a ceremonial aspect, from its shamanic days to those original Hippies climbing to the top of Big Sur to be "initiated", ingesting was always a big deal. Until Timothy Leary convinced people it should be a recreational pursuit that is. 

The idea has bugged me further. 

If attending Cary Grant's Wedding could be seen as a symbolic phrase for the ingesting of hallucinagins (yum), maybe MES was commenting on how trendy that practice had become. I certainly remember at the time blotters being far more prevalent and cheaper than they had been before.

He begins by saying everybody is invited these days "folks and fools", then gets specific re New Wave personalities named and unnamed.

We know MES liked a trip, it's also pretty well known Lydon took acid as well as Buzzcocks who, by legend, recorded everything whilst tripping from the first album onwards.  Dunno how justified MES was if being scathing but the unwritten Punk Rock Rule Book certainly saw Acid as "Hippy Shite" - and those rules melted away one by one after Ian Curtis sang in an American accent. Imbibing became very common. 

** re the lines
'A poor mate for Cary Grant
Slaughterer of innocents.'

Maybe the "Slaughterer of innocents" isn't Cary Grant but refers to his 'poor mate', who seems to be Buster Keaton. Could the line refer to Keaton rather than Grant? 

On the other hand, if it says "innocence" then it could also refer to hallucinogens, in that they "kill the ego", it has been said acid reveals the universe as it really is etc, killing our old way  of looking at things: opening the "doors of perception" as Huxley said. There is a "price on the door" reference there in the lyrics, why would you pay to enter an actual wedding? 
bzfgt
  • 45. bzfgt (link) | 10/01/2020
Thanks! Yeah, good point about the "mate"...unfortunately my site manager isn't working tonight, I'll have to revisit this
bzfgt
  • 46. bzfgt (link) | 19/01/2020
Damn I keep forgetting to delete those damn "The Story of the Fall" links
bzfgt
  • 47. bzfgt (link) | 19/01/2020
Ah yes see note 3, the slaughterer is Grant in at least one other version. Still mulling the New Waver connection...
bzfgt
  • 48. bzfgt (link) | 19/01/2020
I'm not convinced that Grant is a placeholder for hallucinogens, especially since MES seems too scathing about it all
dannyno
  • 49. dannyno | 21/01/2020
My feeling is that if MES wanted to sing about drugs, he didn't do it in code.
bzfgt
  • 50. bzfgt (link) | 25/01/2020
I agree, the LSD angle is interesting and worth considering/mentioning but reading the whole thing as code for that is too far. To me he seems to making some point about new wavers being like the previous generation's celebrities, or something. It's still a little recondite for me but there's something like that.
Simon Ward
  • 51. Simon Ward | 07/09/2020
Is the slaughterer of innocents a ref to Fatty Arbuckle, who Keaton defended? He also called himself Will B Good at one point (good but not great).
bzfgt
  • 52. bzfgt (link) | 13/09/2020
Why SOI for Arbuckle?
Art Simak
  • 53. Art Simak | 13/09/2020
Re comment 13 - Cary Grant played a murderous villain in the film Suspicion.
Simon Ward
  • 54. Simon Ward | 16/09/2020
SOI for Arbuckle - wiki "Arbuckle was the defendant in three widely publicized trials between November 1921 and April 1922 for the alleged rape and manslaughter of actress Virginia Rappe. Rappe had fallen ill at a party hosted by Arbuckle at the St. Francis Hotel in San Francisco in September 1921, and she died four days later. A friend of Rappe accused Arbuckle of raping and accidentally killing her. The first two trials resulted in hung juries, but Buster Keaton defended him in the third trial, which acquitted him, and the jury gave him a formal written statement of apology."

I don't think it was common knowledge that Arbuckle had been acquitted, certainly when I was at school in the late 70s I just knew the Hollywood Babylon side of the story...
dannyno
  • 55. dannyno | 30/09/2020
MES had a copy of Hollywood Babylon, Pamela Vander posted a photo of it. Whether he had it when this song was written of course we don't know.

I just wonder why MES would hide an Arbuckle reference so cryptically if one were intended.
Simon Ward
  • 56. Simon Ward | 09/10/2020
Shock horror MES cryptic?? Usually his lyrics are so obvious, ha. Maybe I’m wrong, I wondered if there was a cut up thing going on.
dannyno
  • 57. dannyno | 10/10/2020
Comment #56: by cryptic I mean something more specific than just obscure or unclear.
bzfgt
  • 58. bzfgt (link) | 14/11/2020
OK so why SOI for Arbuckle? What the hell is SOI? Did I miss something?
John Hall
  • 59. John Hall | 27/12/2020
"....Jake Burns...Jo Strummer..."

On Totales Turns I've always heard this as "Jake Burns......drummer" after an interview where Smith had a go at Burns for having a go at Stiff Little Fingers drummer on stage for coming in late...I do like the idea of that coexisting an lp with " fuckin get it together n stop showin' off."
bzfgt
  • 60. bzfgt (link) | 23/01/2021
Hmm, I hear the "Joe" though...he kind of backs off of the first syllable then so it could be something like "Joe's drummer," but I don't see it
bzfgt
  • 61. bzfgt (link) | 13/02/2021
Nothing on SOI? Googling tells me maybe you're thinking Sociosexual Orientation Inventory? Anything to this?
bzfgt
  • 62. bzfgt (link) | 13/02/2021
Fuck, Slaughter of Innocents, I got tangled up in the back and forth and forgot what we were talking about for a few months there....sorry
bzfgt
  • 63. bzfgt (link) | 13/02/2021
Hmm interesting but tenuous, I mean Keaton defending him (I take it you don't mean in court!) seems a little bit of a reach
SRH
  • 64. SRH | 20/02/2021
I had to make a comment here as I grew up (and now live) five minutes walk from the house where Cary Grant was born. When I was a kid he used to come back to the area and a few neighbours (and legend has it my uncle) knew him as a boy - his Rolls-Royce was often spotted parked here and there.

Grant lived with wife number two, Barbara Hutton in the villa Buster Keaton had built in 1926 . She had inherited a fortune from her grandfather, Frank Winfield Woolworth. Grant and Hutton were known as "Cash and Cary".

Stop mithering!
dannyno
  • 65. dannyno | 24/10/2023
Omega Auctions MES-estate memorabilia sale, dated 21 November 2023, includes a lyric sheet for this song:

https://goauctionomega.blob.core.windows.net/stock/40343-2.jpg?v=63833671723140

Things to note are several apparent textual differences from what is on record.

Mention of Magnus Pyke, who didn't make it into the recorded version.

And we have Clark Gable instead of "new wave personality".

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