The N.W.R.A.

Lyrics

(1)

When it happened we walked through all the estates, from Manchester right to Newcastle.
In Darlington, helped a large man on his own chase off some kids
Who were chucking bricks and
Stuff through his flat window. She had a way with people like that. 
He cussed us and we moved on.
 

'Junior Choice' played one morning.
The song was 'English Scheme.' (2)
Mine. They'd changed it and did a grand piano and turned it into a love song. How they did it I don't know.
DJs had worsened since the rising. Elaborating on nothing and praising the track
With words they could hardly pronounce, in telephone voices.

I was mad, and laughed at the same time. The West German Government
Had brought over large yellow trains on Teesside docks.    (3)
In Edinburgh, I stayed on my own a few days, wandering about in the pissing rain,
Before the Queen Mother hit town.

I'm Joe Totale
The yet unborn son
The North will rise again
The North will rise again
Not in 10,000 years
Too many people cower to criminals
And government crap
The estates stick up like stacks (4)
The North will rise again
The North will rise again
The North will rise again
The North will rise again
(You are mistaken friend)
Look where you are
Look where you are
The future death of my father (5)

Shift!
 

Tony was a business friend
Of RT XVII (6)
And was an opportunist man
Come, come hear my story
How he set out to corrupt and destroy
This future Rising

The business friend came round today
With teeth clenched, he grabbed my neck
I threw him to the ground
His blue shirt stained red
The north will rise again.
He said you are mistaken, friend
I kicked him out of the home
Too many people cower to criminals
And that government pap
When all it takes is hard slap

But out the window burned the roads
There were men with bees on sticks (7)
The fall had made them sick
A man with butterflies on his face
His brother threw acid in his face
His tattoos were screwed
The streets of Soho did reverberate
With drunken Highland men
Revenge for Culloden dead (8)
The North had rose again
But it would turn out wrong
The North will rise again
 

So R. Totale dwells underground
Away from sickly blind
With ostrich head-dress
Face a mess, covered in feathers
Orange-red with blue-black lines
That draped down to his chest
Body a tentacle mess
And light blue plant-heads (9)
TV showed Sam Chippendale (10)
No conception of what he'd made
The Arndale had been razed
Shop staff knocked off their ladders
Security guards hung from moving escalators

And now that is said
Tony seized the control
He built his base in Edinburgh
Had on his hotel wall
A hooded friar on a tractor  (11)
He took a bluey and he called Totale  (12)
Who said, "the North has rose again
But it will turn out wrong
When I was in cabaret
I vowed to defend
All of the English clergy
Though they have done wrong  (13)
And the Fall has begun
This has got out of hand
I will go for foreign aid"

But he, Tony, laughed down the phone
Said "Totale go back to bed
The North has rose today
And you can stuff your aid!
And you can stuff your aid!"

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Notes

1. "North Will Rise Again." This is a rich and baffling song, but it seems to be about an insurrection in the north of Britain, initially spearheaded by "R. Totale" and subsequently co-opted by slimy businessman "Tony."

From "K-Punk" (Mark Fisher):

"But it is the other long track, ‘N.W.R.A.’, that is the masterpiece. All of the LP’s themes coalesce in this track, a tale of cultural political intrigue that plays like some improbable mulching of T.S. Eliot, Wyndham Lewis, H. G. Wells, Dick, Lovecraft and Le Carre. It is the story of Roman Totale, a psychic and former cabaret performer whose body is covered in tentacles. It is often said that Roman Totale is one of Smith’s ‘alter-egos’; in fact, Smith is in the same relationship to Totale as Lovecraft was to someone like Randolph Carter. Totale is a character rather than a persona. Needless to say, he is not a character in the ‘well-rounded’ Forsterian sense so much as a carrier of mythos, an inter-textual linkage between Pulp fragments.

The inter-textual methodology is crucial to pulp modernism. If pulp modernism first of all asserts the author-function over the creative-expressive subject, it secondly asserts a fictional system against the author-God. By producing a fictional plane of consistency across different texts, the pulp modernist becomes a conduit through which a world can emerge. Once again, Lovecraft is the exemplar here: his tales and novellas could in the end no longer be apprehended as discrete texts but as part-objects forming a mythos-space which other writers could also explore and extend.

The form of ‘N.W.R.A.’ is as alien to organic wholeness as is Totale’s abominable tentacular body. It is a grotesque concoction, a collage of pieces that do not belong together. The model is the novella rather than the tale, and the story is told episodically, from multiple points of views, using a heteroglossic riot of styles and tones (comic, journalistic, satirical, novelistic): like ‘Call of Cthulhu’ re-written by the Joyce of Ulysses and compressed into ten minutes.

From what we can glean, Totale is at the centre of a plot – infiltrated and betrayed from the start – which aims at restoring the North to glory (perhaps to its Victorian moment of economic and industrial supremacy; perhaps to some more ancient pre-eminence, perhaps to a greatness that will eclipse anything that has come before). More than a matter of regional railing against the capital, in Smith’s vision the North comes to stand for everything suppressed by urbane good taste: the esoteric, the anomalous, the vulgar sublime, that is to say, the Weird and the Grotesque itself. Totale, festooned in the incongruous Grotesque costume of ‘ostrich head-dress … feathers/orange-red with blue-black lines/…and light blue plant-heads’, is the would-be Faery King of this Weird Revolt who ends up its maimed Fisher King, abandoned like a pulp modernist Miss Havisham amongst the relics of a carnival that will never happen, a drooling totem of a defeated tilt at Social Realism, the visionary leader reduced, as the psychotropics fade and the fervour cools, to being a washed-up cabaret artiste once again."

(K-punk)

Ian F:

"The title of this song is not The North Will Rise Again. It's The NWRA as an allusion, I've always assumed anyway, to the IRA - The North West Republican Army. The Irishness inherent in north-western music (Scanlon, Hanley, Lennon, McCartney, Marr, Morrissey, etc) well documented, of course. A lot to unpack in that choice of title, and not a subject I'm aware of Smith returning to again. But there it is."

J Temperance points out the consonance with the common southern post-Civil War American slogan, "The South Will Rise Again."

And Dan reports there is a 1978 book (about America) by Jeremy Rifkin and Randy Barber entitled The North Will Rise Again: Pensions, Politics and Power in the 1980s. The title of the book is clearly a play on "The South Will Rise Again."

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2. "Junior Choice," originally titled "Children's Favourites," was a BBC radio program that played requests from "children of all ages." The show aired, in one form or another, from 1954 to 1984.  

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3. Dan points out that Berlin's U-Bahn (subway) system indeed has, and has long had, yellow trains; Ryan adds, "the Tyne and Wear Metro, which opened in 1980, has and did have yellow stock. According to Wikipedia, the trains were based on ones used in Germany."

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4. This line also appears in "C'n'C-S Mithering" from the same album.

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5. The temporality of this section is, probably intentionally, very hard to follow. The speaker, Joe Totale, has not yet been born, and he is speaking of the future death of his father, R. Totale XVII. The younger Totale seems to drop out of the narrative at the point where Smith says "shift!"

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6. "RT XVII" is later called "R. Totale." In the following lyrics to the earlier song "2nd Dark Age," we learn that Totale's first name is "Roman":

I am Roman Totale XVII
the bastard offspring
of Charles I and the Great God Pan. 

As for "Tony," according to gedge:

"I always imagined that 'buisiness friend' was based on Tony Wilson (co-founder of Factory Records and manager of the Manchester nightclub The Hacienda). I don't know if Wilson and Smith had any kind of relationship, but the confident and condescending tone of the character in the song does remind me of Wilson.
 

^

7. The Lyrics Parade has "besom sticks," with the following note: "A besom is a long handled broom with the head made out of pieces of twig lashed together." However, after close listening and much discussion on the Fall online forum, I have concluded that it is "bees on sticks," which is the lyric reproduced in the second Fall lyric book from Lough Press. The heraldic emblem most closely associated with Manchester is a worker bee, which appears on the city's coat of arms, as well as on the University's sealand on the logos of various businesses associated with Manchester (including Boddington ale); thus, "bees on sticks" could refer to a flag or banner, or possibly a cudgel with the city's symbol affixed or emblazoned upon it. At the forum, the besom's most eloquent defender is Grudge Natch, who gives us the following, admirably plausible, explanation:

It's besom!

But out the window burned the roads

This reminded me of ground workers or navies laying roads with boiling hot tarmac (asphalt) which brought me to..
 

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Putting on and spreading the asphalt does not take so long as might be imagined - six or eight men will cover 100 yards of walk, 6 feet broad, in about three hours. After spreading, the walk is then rolled with a heavy roller, two men pulling it slowly along, and one going behind sweeping the asphalt off with a besom as it sticks to the roller, whose duty it is also to wash the roller at the end of each journey. After being rolled for an hour or two until it is middling firm, the walk will be ready for sprinkling with the spar or gravel.

http://chestofbooks.com/gardening-horticul...ml#.UXbUiEq-NyE

Many Scots and Irish men moved to England particularly London to find work as ground workers. They are the drunken highland men on the lash in Soho after a hard days graft. 

It continues from the industrial theme of the trains on Teeside docks. Besom was still used to clean the roller in the 80's (even now?) as it was from 1901 when tarmacking was invented.

In this context the North rising again is referring to the plentiful work and good wages available for manual labourers at the time harking back to the industrial age of the empire.
 

However, it seems to me that the uprising described in the song is a violent conflict, and not primarily an economic boom or industrial rennaissance; furthermore, MES clearly seems to say "bees on sticks," particularly on the version from A Part of America, Therein, where there is a short but distinct pause between syllables, and there it does not sound at all like "besom" to my ears at all. In contrast to the many Fall lyrics that seem to make no sense at all, here the problem is that either construal of the words has a more or less plausible explanation; it's feast or famine, I suppose.

^

8. The Battle of Culloden was the final conflict in the Second Jacobite Rising, an attempt to put the Catholic Charles Edward Stuart ("Bonnie Prince Charlie," also known as "The Young Pretender") on the throne of England and Scotland. At Culloden, Charles' forces were defeated by the armies of the Prince William, the Duke of Cumberland (also known as "Stinking Billy"). This episode also figures in the lyrics of "Backdrop," which is in many ways a sequel to this song.  

^

9. Again from K-Punk (see note 1): "Although Grotesque is an enigma, its title gives clues. Otherwise incomprehensible references to 'huckleberry masks', 'a man with butterflies on his face' and Totale's 'ostrich headress' and 'light blue plant-heads' begin to make sense when you recognize that, in Parrinder's description, the grotesque originally referred to 'human and animal shapes intermingled with foliage, flowers, and fruits in fantastic designs which bore no relationship to the logical categories of classical art'.

Grotesque, then, would be another moment in the endlessly repeating struggle between a Pulp Underground (the scandalous grottoes) and the Official culture, what Philip K Dick called 'the Black Iron Prison'. Dick's intuition was that 'the Empire had never ended', and that history was shaped by an ongoing occult(ed) conflict between Rome and Gnostic forces. 'Specter versus Rector' ('I've waited since Caesar for this') had rendered this clash in a harsh Murnau black and white ; on Grotesque the struggle is painted in colours as florid as those used on the album’s garish sleeve (the work of Smith's sister)."

(K-punk

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10. Sam Chippendale was a real estate agent who put up the Arndale Centres, the first big shopping malls in Britain. Dan points out that the largest of these was in Manchester, and was completed in 1979 (the year before this song debuted). 

^

11. Dan makes the Scotland connection: "Worth noting that Friar Tuck is a character in Walter Scott's novel Ivanhoe. Tuck is depicted in the Scott Monument in Edinburgh." The tractor is a little more intractable, so to speak. 

^

12. "Bluey" seems to be most commonly used to refer to a blue Valium pill, but in the 1970s and 80s in England it was more likely to refer to amphetamine sulphate or a mixture of amphetamines and barbiturates. 

Randolph Carter writes:

"Taking a bluey is gonna be a French Blue - drinamyl - which is made from dexamphetamine (Dexy's Midnight Runners - their name being a reference to midnight raids on Chemist shops to steal Dexamphetamine and the subsequent all night Mod and Northern Soul dance parties) and amylobarbitone. Very popular in the 1960s and 1970s, also know as Purple Hearts. See the song Cut My Hair by The Who in Quadrophenia where Jimmy sings of his mum finding his 'box of blues'. MES was a total speed freak all his adult life."

Dan submits thiis entry from the New Partridge Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English, edited by Tom Dalzell and Terry Victor. Vol 1, Routledge, 2006:

 

Drinamyl seems to me by far the most likely of those options.

^

13. Dan: 

Ripon, N Yorks UK Blue Plaque reads:
The Rising of the North
In November 1569, hundreds of rebels assembled in this Market Place with the aim of re-establishing Catholic worship in the North. They swiftly captured Barnard Castle on the River Tees and widely reinstated the Mass, but by January the rebellion had failed and great numbers had been hanged here and elsewhere as traitors.

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Comments (83)

Lee Thacker
  • 1. Lee Thacker (link) | 12/08/2013
Regarding these lines:
A man with butterflies on his face
His brother threw acid in his face
His track shoes were screwed

I'm pretty sure it's 'tattoos' not 'track shoes', the butterflies on his face (tattooed) getting screwed up by the acid. I also remember Bernard Sumner commenting/quoting on how hilarious he thought this lyric was in an interview long ago.

Great site!
dannyno
  • 2. dannyno | 08/07/2014
Lee Thacker is correct: it's "tattoos were screwed", not track shoes
Joseph Mullaney
  • 3. Joseph Mullaney | 06/08/2014
I'm pretty sure it's `she had a way with people like that'.
Joseph Mullaney
  • 4. Joseph Mullaney | 06/08/2014
Also before 'look where you are' I can hear a muttered `you are mistaken friend'.
Adam O
  • 5. Adam O | 29/08/2014
I could swear that I hear "cavalry" instead of "cabaret". As far as vowing to defend all the English clergy, " cavalry" makes more sense. Not that the more sensical option is always correct, but what would cabaret have to do with defending anyone except for Sondheim fans?
bzfgt
  • 6. bzfgt | 21/09/2014
That's really convincing, Adam, I'll have to listen to it.
bzfgt
  • 7. bzfgt | 21/09/2014
It's hard to tell but I like it better, I'll go with it for now.
dannyno
  • 8. dannyno | 19/11/2014
"When I was in cavalry
I vowed to defend
All of the English clergy"

Makes me think of Oliver Cromwell....
dannyno
  • 9. dannyno | 22/12/2014
Beesticks/bee-sticks are also used in artificial pollination, for example of brassicas:

http://www.learner.org/courses/essential/life/bottlebio/butterfly/beestick.html
Max Williams
  • 10. Max Williams | 07/01/2015
I think that "cabaret" makes as much sense in context as "cavalry", ie not much. But it does sound more like "cabaret". In the Chicago Tuts live recording he sings "I've been in cabaret, but I ain't seen the light till today" for this line. I'd thought previously that it might be "calvary" which does at least pertain to the clergy but still seems weird. I vote "cabaret".
Hugo Lane
  • 11. Hugo Lane | 16/05/2015
For what it is worth. Since first listen after buying "Grotesque" back in 1982 I always heard it as "cavalry," but always assumed it was meant to be Calvary.
Paul
  • 12. Paul | 13/08/2015
I always thought it was 'but he, Tony, laughed down the phone'.
bzfgt
  • 13. bzfgt | 25/08/2015
OK, Listening to it now. One thing I noticed, "away from sickly blind," not "grind"...
bzfgt
  • 14. bzfgt | 25/08/2015
Yes, "Tony." Definitely.
dannyno
  • 15. dannyno | 20/12/2015
"He built his base in Edinburgh
Had on his hotel wall
A hooded friar on a tractor"

Worth noting that Friar Tuck is a character in Walter Scott's novel "Waverley". Tuck is depicted in the Scott Monument in Edinburgh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Monument

If you're looking for connections between friars and Edinburgh, this would seem to be a plausible one. But a friar on a tractor? No idea.
bzfgt
  • 16. bzfgt | 23/12/2015
I changed it to Ivanhoe as that's the novel your Wikipedia link identifies as having the Tuck character. Let me know if this is in error.
dannyno
  • 17. dannyno | 23/12/2015
Yes, sorry, that got a bit mangled. "Ivanhoe" is one of Scott's Waverley novels, and that's what I had meant to say.
duncan
  • 18. duncan | 17/08/2016
it's "teesside", please. two Ss. fab site otherwise.
bzfgt
  • 19. bzfgt | 25/08/2016
Got it, but I assume you're not correcting the capitalized first letter? And thank you!
dannyno
  • 20. dannyno | 08/04/2017
"The West German Government
Had brought over large yellow trains on Teesside docks"

Berlin's underground train network has long had yellow trains...
dannyno
  • 21. dannyno | 14/06/2017
From the Grotesque press release:

http://thefall.org/news/pics/80-grotesque-press.jpg


A long tale, supposedly objective. In which J. Totale describes the death of his father - a very personal thing - but necessary and to the good. R.T.XVII has a heart attack on the last note.
gedge
  • 22. gedge | 08/08/2017
I always imagined that 'buisiness friend' was based on Tony Wilson. I don't know if Wilson and Smith had any kind of relationship, but the confident and condescending tone of the character in the song does remind me of Wilson.
duncandisorderly
  • 23. duncandisorderly (link) | 02/09/2017
another vote here for tony being anthony h wilson, dead these ten years & still missed, co-founder of factory records & also a well-known tv presenter in the north-west.
ryan
  • 24. ryan | 30/01/2018
On the subject of the trains, the Tyne and Wear Metro, which opened in 1980 has and did have yellow stock. According to Wikipedia, the trains were based on ones used in Germany.
dannyno
  • 25. dannyno | 01/02/2018
Comment #24. Good call, I didn't know that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyne_and_Wear_Metro_rolling_stock#Livery

Apparently the livery was actually cadmium yellow and white, based on the local bus colours. And cadmium yellow is a dark yellow that to my eyes looks more orange. So they weren't simply yellow. But it's not a stretch to think of MES making the connections
dannyno
  • 26. dannyno | 05/02/2018
Error, note #6:

6. "RT XVII" is later called "R. Totale." In the following lyrics to the earlier song "In My Area," we learn that Totale's first name is "Roman":


Those lyrics are from 2nd Dark Age, not In My Area.
Dan
  • 27. Dan | 06/02/2018
"When I was in cavalry
I vowed to defend
All of the English (Roman Catholic?) clergy"

Ripon, N Yorks UK Blue Plaque reads :-
The Rising of the North In November 1569, hundreds of rebels assembled in this Market Place with the aim of re-establishing Catholic worship in the North. They swiftly captured Barnard Castle on the River Tees and widely reinstated the Mass, but by January the rebellion had failed and great numbers had been hanged here and elsewhere as traitors.
http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/large/073bd14a-08b2-42e4-9003-6a4f2715b046.jpg
ryan
  • 28. ryan | 08/02/2018
I've always heard cabaret, it never even occurred to me that it might be cavalry. I think that cabaret is an example of MES's good-natured stereotyping of the North and working class culture. Here it is signifying the difference between the authentic Totale and Tony who will destroy the rising
bzfgt
  • 29. bzfgt (link) | 12/02/2018
OK, I see we had changed it from "cabaret" to "cavalry." I'm listening now, we may have to change it back. It would be funny if he made this vow as part of a skit or something, but of course the vow seems more in keeping with cavalry on the surface. We need to figure out what this says.
bzfgt
  • 30. bzfgt (link) | 12/02/2018
The blue lyrics book has "cabaret," for what that's worth. I think we may have to change it back if it's inconclusive.

It sounds like either here, but the version from Tut's has "I've been in cabaret." But the next line is different too, although I can't make it out--"I ain't seen....today"

I think it has to go back to cabaret on balance, but it could be different here.
dannyno
  • 31. dannyno | 13/02/2018
I thought "cavalry" would fit better because of my Cromwell speculation. I'll have another listen.
bzfgt
  • 32. bzfgt (link) | 17/02/2018
Yes, this is in flux.
maltodextrin
  • 33. maltodextrin | 01/03/2018
For what it's worth,the original vinyl sleeve has snippets of lyrics on the back cover, including the tail end of the word "cabaret".
https://www.juno.co.uk/products/the-fall-grotesque-after-the-gramme-reissue/642631-01/
"et/I vowed to defend/All of "

Mike Leigh had recently left to join a cabaret band, right?
bzfgt
  • 34. bzfgt (link) | 10/03/2018
Good, "cabaret" sits better with me right now. That's not decisive but it's far from insignificant.
JTemperance
  • 35. JTemperance | 14/03/2018
Perhaps there be a note about the fact that the title is also a play on the confederate slogan "The south will rise again"?
bzfgt
  • 36. bzfgt (link) | 21/03/2018
That is a good idea, as an American of course I always think of that, but I half-suspected I think that the NWRA was itself a phrase that wouldn't have that connotation for a Brit and may even pre-date the American civil war...but I have no reason to think that, I think it just was at the back of my mind so I never noted it. Would a Brit who was familiar with the American phrase associate them, or does it have an independent history in England?
russell richardson
  • 37. russell richardson | 28/04/2018
sorry to harp on about accidents of birth etc - but I'm a strict contemporary (geographically, too, though we never met) and sometimes odd details emerge as 'obvious'

in the mid/late 60s, everyone collected American chewing gum cards, which ran in seasons. Everyone would go bonkers about 'Mars Attacks' for a few months, then the next topic would come out and we'd all mither our mams for a few pennies to buy packs of (3 or 4?) cards with a stick of gum. the company, I somehow remember was called A & B C
anyway I digress...
in "our" childhood, one of the longest running series was a set of about 100 American Civil War cards, so all of us lads had quite an esoteric knowledge of the period (each card had a gory photo on the front and an informative paragraph on the back with historical details of battles, speeches etc).
So a lad from Prestwich would definitely possibly know a ton of useless stuff about the 1860s.
Look it up.
Psiman
  • 38. Psiman | 31/05/2018
Is it worth pointing out that ‘bluey’ is referring to a blue pill popular in the 60’s and 70’s in the UK. Also known as a ‘blue’ it was amphetamine sulphate in tablet form
bzfgt
  • 39. bzfgt (link) | 09/07/2018
Fascinating, I had no idea, Russell.

Psiman I cannot believe I didn't note that, one of those things where it didn't jump out as necessary but of course now you say it that absolutely needs to be in there.

The only thing is I thought it meant Valium, is there testimony for it being speed at the time?
bzfgt
  • 40. bzfgt (link) | 09/07/2018
OK I found it in an online drug dictionary referring distinctly to England, otherwise Valium seems a more common referent
Paul Stanway
  • 41. Paul Stanway | 30/09/2018
Hi. I haven't spotted this yet. It kind of occurred to me that the "North" in this song could, among other things, also be a reference to the Northern Ireland / Ulster situation at the time? In some sense this would explain the revenge of Culloden dead. "But it would turn out wrong" might be a reference to the fact that Protestants won the battle, and killed thousands of Jacobite Irishmen and Scotsmen in the process. Meaning they've been screwed both ways really. Seems apt for a Mark E. Smith song of the period.

Maybe this ties in to the "man under Ardwick Bridge under Irish patronage" in the song "Wings"?

From Wikipedia, this:

"The Jacobites [who were defeated in the Battle of Culloden] were supported and supplied by the Kingdom of France from Irish and Scots units in French service. A composite battalion of infantry ("Irish Picquets"), comprising detachments from each of the regiments of the Irish Brigade plus one squadron of Irish in the French army, served at the battle alongside the regiment of Royal Scots (Royal Écossais) raised the previous year to support the Stuart claim."

I'm not really an expert, so y'know, whatever...
Randolph Carter
  • 42. Randolph Carter | 07/10/2018
Taking a bluey is gonna be a French Blue - drinamyl - which is made from dexamphetamine (Dexy's Midnight Runners - their name being a reference to midnight raids on Chemist shops to steal Dexamphetamine and the subsequent all night Mod and Northern Soul dance parties) and amylobarbitone. Very popular in the 1960s and 1970s, also know as Purple Hearts. See the song Cut My Hair by The Who in Quadrophenia where Jimmy sings of his mum finding his 'box of blues'. MES was a total speed freak all his adult life.
Sea Bee Blue
  • 43. Sea Bee Blue | 31/01/2019
A besom is a witches broom used to aid in astral projection.
jensotto
  • 44. jensotto | 24/02/2019
Straight outta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Compton-Burnett - The Mighty and Their Fall - first broadcast 16th Feb 1962 https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/0db8b6352b2440fc9955f6a926417c39

On NWRA / NWA - maybe Mr Star Trek, Gene Roddenberry had this company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway_Corporation

BBC must have loved Star Trek - most original episodes have been broadcast 9 times each , 70s-00s - or so says BBC Genome. Most Dr Who episodes where shown once and many were the erased...
bzfgt
  • 45. bzfgt (link) | 13/04/2019
Crazy motherfucker named MES
Annotatin' my lyrics? Have a bleedin' guess!

I ran out of gas after that
Andrew Durnion
  • 46. Andrew Durnion | 21/04/2019
Take a bluey is Northern vernacular for becoming apoplectic. Literarily having a meltdown. It means going blue in the face with rage.
dannyno
  • 47. dannyno | 15/05/2019
"Northern vernacular" is meaningless really in a UK context. There is no "Northern vernacular".
Ian F
  • 48. Ian F | 20/05/2019
The title of this song is not The North Will Rise Again. It's The NWRA as an allusion, I've always assumed anyway, to the IRA - The North West Republican Army. The Irishness inherent in north-western music (Scanlon, Hanley, Lennon, McCartney, Marr, Morrissey, etc) well documented, of course. A lot to unpack in that choice of title, and not a subject I'm aware of Smith returning to again. But there it is.
Ian F
  • 49. Ian F | 20/05/2019
My above comment (48) dovetails nicely with Paul Stanway's (41). Only just saw that.
bzfgt
  • 50. bzfgt (link) | 28/06/2019
Andrew Durrion #46: that is significant and helpful, but can you cite an instance of that usage?
dannyno
  • 51. dannyno | 11/01/2020
I agree with Ian F, comment #48, "NWRA" would have been probably deliberately a nod at IRA/INLA etc acronyms.
bzfgt
  • 52. bzfgt (link) | 19/01/2020
Yeah I meant to get that in there in some form, for not I just chunked it in notee 1
Dr X O'Skeleton
  • 53. Dr X O'Skeleton | 27/01/2020
Yes, the NWRA has allusions to republican factions. Lydon has similar fun with this in the Pistols' Anarchy in the UK. "Is this the MPLA? Is this the IRA? Is this the UDA?" [The first is an Angolan liberation movement, the last one a Protestant paramilitary group in Ulster]. Or think of Monty Python and the People's Front of Judea.
dannyno
  • 54. dannyno | 29/01/2020
Definitely, but MES was also interested in the US civil war, and so there's also obviously an allusion there too.

And there's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_of_the_North

There's a 1978 book by Jeremy Rifkin and Randy Barber entitled The North Will Rise Again: pensions, politics and power in the 1980s, published by Beacon Press. See https://www.foet.org/books/the-north-will-rise-again-pensions-politics-and-power-in-the-1980s/

I don't suggest MES necessarily read the book, but the title phrase is clearly culturally salient in various ways. Intended or not, the phrase carries a lot of baggage for a listener.
bzfgt
  • 55. bzfgt (link) | 01/02/2020
Oo, the 1978 book has to be noted
dannyno
  • 56. dannyno | 07/02/2020
Entry for "bluey" from the New Partridge Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English, edited by Tom Dalzell and Terry Victor. Vol 1, Routledge, 2006:

http://dannyno.org.uk/fall/bluey.jpg
dannyno
  • 57. dannyno | 07/02/2020
re note 10, although Chippendale's shopping centres were a national project, it is notable that the largest was built in Manchester city centre. For a time it was the biggest shopping centre in Britain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arndale

The final phase of the building was completed in 1979, the year before the debut of this song.
dannyno
  • 58. dannyno | 13/02/2020
In the song's introduction, we hear about helping the man in Darlington who is having trouble with kids smashing his windows.

Then there's this line:


She had a way with people like that.


This has never had any attention. Largely because there's no other information to do anything else with it, I suppose. But it is surely significant that here we have an anonymous female character who is accompanying the narrator. She is not mentioned again. I speculate it's a cypher for Kay Carroll, or a Kay Carroll type.

Any other ideas?
Totales Turnips
  • 59. Totales Turnips | 04/03/2020
She is pre-cog;
'Chucking Brix and stuff'
bzfgt
  • 60. bzfgt (link) | 14/03/2020
Yes, he could have had Carroll in mind as a model
Binyi
  • 61. Binyi | 08/04/2020
"Not in 10,000 years
Not in 10,000 years" - this lyric is repeated once, like the lines right before it: Joe Totale saying (?) "The North will rise again / The North will rise again"

"When all it takes is a hard slap" - sounds like an MES filler "ah" but in the spot you would expect an article
bzfgt
  • 62. bzfgt (link) | 10/04/2020
Yes, I think this hasn't been fully edited since I inherited it but I agree with those
Martin
  • 63. Martin | 16/05/2020
The first performance of The NWRA was in Newcastle (New Tyne Theatre) on 28 June 1980. There was nothing about Newcastle or Edinburgh in the lyrics. The song title was there and a reference to “Stop Mithering” but not much else. 122 seconds long. It was the opener. The following night The Fall played Edinburgh. No recording exists. Now, note the some of the lyrics of the song as they appeared on Grotesque:

“When it happened we walked through all the estates, from Manchester right to Newcastle.
In Darlington, helped a large man on his own chase off some kids
Who were chucking bricks and
Stuff through his flat window. She had a way with people like that.
He cussed us and we moved on.

'Junior Choice' played one morning.
The song was 'English Scheme.'
Mine. They'd changed it and did a grand piano and turned it into a love song. How they did it I don't know.
DJs had worsened since the rising. Elaborating on nothing and praising the track
With words they could hardly pronounce, in telephone voices.
I was mad, and laughed at the same time. The West German Government
Had brought over large yellow trains on Teesside docks.
In Edinburgh, I stayed on my own a few days, wandering about in the pissing rain,
Before the Queen Mother hit town”

It was certainly pretty wet in Edinburgh at the time:
https://weatherspark.com/h/m/147761/1980/7/Historical-Weather-in-July-1980-at-Edinburgh-Airport-United-Kingdom#Figures-Temperaturen

And as the next Fall gig was a month away, MES would have had time to linger in Edinburgh.
However, I haven’t been able to find out if the Queen Mother was in town.

A month later, at Deeply Dale, the lyrics included both Newcastle and Edinburgh.

(Unfortunately, The Fall never played in Darlington.)
dannyno
  • 64. dannyno | 16/05/2020
Some things I could follow up in there.

Note that in 1980 the Queen Mother turned 80, and so is likely to have been doing a birthday tour thing (birthday 4th August).

I had a look at the Court Circular in The Times for the few days following the gig mentioned on 29th June.

in the issue of Wednesday 2 July 1980 (p17), various events attended by various royalty including the Queen are reported as having taken place the previous day (Tuesday 1 July). The Queen Mother, though, was in London at a dinner at Senate House, University of London, marking the silver jubilee of her chancellorship of the University.

Under "Today's engagements" are listed Edinburgh engagements by the Queen, Duke of Edinburgh, Prince of Wales, and this:


Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother attends garden party, Palace of Holyroodhouse.


Turning then to The Times of 3 July 1980 (Court Circular, p.16), I find this report of the previous day (still lots of Edinburgh activity from the Queen etc):


The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh gave an Afternoon Party in the garden of the Palace of Holyroodhouse in honour of Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother's 80th birthday.


and


Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother arrived at Royal Air Force Turnhouse this morning in an aircraft of The Queen's Flight and drove to the Palace of Holyroodhouse.


In the "Today's engagements" column is this:


The Queen, the Duke of Edinburgh and Princess Margaret attend musical tribute to Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother by the bands of regiments of Scotland, Holyrood Park.


So there we go, the lines


In Edinburgh, I stayed on my own a few days, wandering about in the pissing rain,
Before the Queen Mother hit town


can be linked to real-world events that MES would have observed. Following The Fall gig in Edinburgh on Sunday 29th June, MES could indeed have spent a couple of days wandering Edinburgh before the Queen Mother hit town on Wednesday 2nd July.

I can't believe we've not checked this before!
dannyno
  • 65. dannyno | 16/05/2020
The musical tribute, by the way, was by all accounts a big event attended by thousands and garnering some TV coverage.
dannyno
  • 66. dannyno | 16/05/2020
According to https://www.royal.uk/royal-residences-palace-holyroodhouse


Founded as a monastery in 1128 at the end of the Royal Mile in Edinburgh, the Palace of Holyroodhouse has a close association with the History of Scotland. Today, the Palace is a close focus for national celebrations and events in Scotland, most notably The Queen's ‘Holyrood Week’, which usually runs from the end of June to the beginning of July every year.
Martin
  • 67. Martin | 17/05/2020
As for the trains, the Tyne and Wear Metro had its first passengers on August 11, 1980. The first service ,was from Haymarket to Tynemouth. Haymarket Metro station is situated 0,6 miles from what is now called the Tyne Theatre and Opera House, where The Fall played in Newcastle. Not inconceivable that MES could have seen the final stages of the construction (instead of having simply read about it)..

Some photos here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/tyne/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8897000/8897970.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/local/tyne/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8897000/8897970.stm
dannyno
  • 68. dannyno | 17/05/2020
https://i2-prod.chroniclelive.co.uk/incoming/article6899017.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Metro-opening-train.jpg
dannyno
  • 69. dannyno | 17/05/2020
c1977 leaflet about the Metro project, produced by Tyne and Wear Transport:

http://www.urbantransportgroup.org/system/files/general-docs/Nexus%20-%20Meet%20your%20Metro.pdf
dannyno
  • 70. dannyno | 17/05/2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyne_and_Wear_Metro_rolling_stock


The Tyne and Wear Metrocars are a fleet of light rail vehicles manufactured by Metro-Cammell for the Tyne and Wear Metro in North East England between 1975 and 1981.



The design of the Metrocars was partly derived from that of the German Stadtbahnwagen B. However, they were built by Metro-Cammell in Birmingham
dannyno
  • 71. dannyno | 17/05/2020
Some of that already in the notes, I see.
dannyno
  • 72. dannyno | 17/05/2020
Junior Choice.

Just taking the dates noted by Martin.

On the day The Fall played Newcastle (28th June 1980), Junior Choice was broadcast at 8am on Radio 1. The listing in The Guardian says "Tony Blackburn with Junior Choice." It seems to have been a Saturday/Sunday show, so if we think there might be any real-world content to the lyric (which does seem unlikely) then the shows on 28th and 29th June would likely be the ones to focus on first.

Blackburn was new to the show, having taken over from Ed Stewart earlier in 1980.

https://images.eil.com/large_image/VARIOUS_ARTISTS_JUNIOR%2BCHOICE%2B-%2BFAVOURITE%2BREQUESTS-695254.jpg

https://images.eil.com/large_image/VARIOUS_ARTISTS_JUNIOR%2BCHOICE%2B-%2BFAVOURITE%2BREQUESTS-695254c.jpg
dannyno
  • 73. dannyno | 17/05/2020
An intro to Junior Choice when it still had Ed Stewart as presenter:

https://www.radiorewind.co.uk/sounds/ed_stewart_guy_fawkes_96kbs.mp3

The theme tune at that time was Morningtown Ride by Stan Butcher.
Martin
  • 74. Martin | 17/05/2020
"The song was 'English Scheme.'
Mine. They'd changed it and did a grand piano and turned it into a love song. How they did it I don't know."

I can't find the relevant section on TFO but did "English Scheme" resemble another contemporary song?
dannyno
  • 75. dannyno | 17/05/2020
What we need, then, is the "Programme as Broadcast" (PasB) document for Junior Choice for the weekend of 28/29 June 1980. Probably will be in the BBC Written Archives. But they're impossible to get into without doing University-accredited, commissioned or commercial research, and I don't know if they would help over email. Might be worth trying, although everything is harder now anyway of course.

Of course, the assumption that any real-world reference would be to that weekend is just a starting point. And the implied "someone is ripping off my song" theme may be imaginative rather than something that actually happened (and MES may have thought it even if it wasn't true...), so it will likely all be completely pointless anyway. But hey.
dannyno
  • 76. dannyno | 17/05/2020
Comment #74, Martin.

Thing is, "Junior Choice" was a requests show, so it might not have been a particularly contemporary song!
dannyno
  • 77. dannyno | 17/05/2020
If not entirely fictional, it would have to be paranoia on MES' part, wouldn't it? Or else he was inspired, consciously or otherwise, by another song. Because Grotesque wasn't released until later in the year and English Scheme was only debuted in February. It is vanishingly unlikely it could have been ripped off. More likely there's a resemblance of some kind, or that element is fictional.

Like the West German government bringing over yellow trains, when apparently the Metro trains were manufactured in Birmingham, this could be another case where a real-world inspiration is adapted in the writing of the text.

The entry here for English Scheme records that "Marc Riley started by inverting the sound of the ice cream van into a keyboard riff and we played along, creating an ironically golly little gem." (according to Steve Hanley in The Big Midweek).

Plenty of scope there for accidental resemblance to a children's song also based around an ice cream van tune, or unconscious borrowing.
dannyno
  • 78. dannyno | 17/05/2020
... which makes me think, ice cream van tunes at the time would probably have been from a fairly small pool of tunes. So how about trying to list some and then seeing if we can identify likely songs that might sound a bit like them... It all helps fritter the remaining weeks of our lives away.
dannyno
  • 79. dannyno | 17/05/2020
"Greensleeves" is a classic ice cream van tune.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensleeves

Might be worth exploring that and others....

There is a slight snatch of what sounds like the recording at the beginning of English Scheme, but I can't make enough of it out.
bzfgt
  • 80. bzfgt (link) | 14/06/2020
I think it's all fictional as it stands, even if he described (and probably altered) actual scenes he recontextualized them...
dannyno
  • 81. dannyno | 14/06/2020
Well, we know there are real-world analogues. So Junior Choice was on the radio, yellow trains were in the vicinity, and the Queen Mother did indeed hit town.
dannyno
  • 82. dannyno | 14/06/2020
From the Dutch pop/rock 'paper Muziekkrant Oor, #5, 12 March 1983, pp.8-11


Je schreef een song getiteld: The N.W.R.A., The North Will Rise Again.

Een paar maanden later braken de rellen in Liverpool en andere noordelijke steden uit. Een profetisch nummer. Mensen dachten dat het een grapje was. De mentaliteit van de jeugd is een centraal thema in dat nummer. De aanstichter van alles wordt door zijn zoon uitgelachen en aangeklaagd. Als het voorbij is wordt de vader in een kelder gestopt.


Rough translation with help from translate.google.com


You wrote a song entitled: The N.W.R.A., The North Will Rise Again.

A few months later, riots broke out in Liverpool and other northern cities. A prophetic number. People thought it was a joke. The mentality of the youth is a central theme in that song. The instigator of everything is laughed at and denounced [indicted?] by his son. When it is over, the father is locked [terminated? shut up?] in a cellar.
Albtwo
  • 83. Albtwo | 14/08/2020
Some good scholarship here guys. Not much significant to add but contextually, I thought any non-local readers/contributors might be interested to know that the Arndale referenced here and new in 1980 is of course the same shopping centre that was later severely damaged by the (IRA-planted) bomb that was pre-cog-ed in Powder Keg.....

By the by, Danny - #54: I shall be deploying ‘culturally salient’ extensively in polite conversation for the next few weeks

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