Fiery Jack

(1)

My face is slack
And kidneys burn
In the small of my back
Will never learn
Well I'm not going back
To the slow life
Cos every step is a drag   (2)
And peace is a kite of materials  (3)
You never catch
Come up for a snatch,
Up from hell
Once in a while

Cause I am Jack
From a burning ring (4)
My face is slack
And I think think think

I just think think think
Too fast to write
Too fast to work
Just burn burn burn

I sat and drank
For three decades
I'm 45    (5)
Cause I am Jack
From a burning ring
And my face is slack
And I think think think
I just drink drink drink
Too fast to work
Too fast to write
I just burn burn burn

I eat hot dogs
I live on pies
I'm 45
Cause I am Jack
From a burning ring
My face is slack
And I think think think
Just think think think
Too fast to write
Too fast to work
Just burn burn burn

And put down left-wing tirades
and the musical trades (6)
And/or free trade  (7)
I say eat this grenade
To defend free trade
I said eat this grenade

Cause I am Jack
Some men from the docks (8)
They are smart
Their brains are half

They never end
Just follow trends

But I am Jack
From a burning ring
My face is slack
And I think think think
Just think think think
Too fast to write
Too fast to work
I just burn burn burn
I am Jack
And put down left-wing tirades
and the musical trades
And/or free trade
I said eat this grenade
I said eat this grenade
And all free trade
I said eat this grenade

Notes

1. From Renegade

I've always written from different perspectives, but that one seemed to have more weight to it. I still see "Fiery Jack" types like that. They're quite heartening in a way. Manchester has always had men like that, hard livers with hard livers; faces like unmade beds.

Even though they're clearly doing themselves damage, there's a zest for life there. And that's a rarity. They're not as oblivious as you might think. Drinkers have a good sense fo the absurd. I like that. (89)

Drinkers or not, the song clearly seems to be about a speed freak. The character may have been a heavy drinker, but here he proclaims himself "too fast to drink." The burning kidneys also suggest speed use.

From a 1980 interview:

One of the points of "Fiery Jack" is ageism. People go round and think they're smart when they're 21 but these old guys you see have been doing it for years and a lot of them have more guts than these kids will ever have. It's like the skinheads throwing cans, they know fuck all. I know twenty times more than them and I could knock them over in a pub if I wanted to. Everybody's as good as each other, there is no tough figher, there is no 'young' thing, everybody's as good as each other. Everybody KNOWS that, but everybody keeps living it out and it makes me sick...in a mystical way, Fiery Jack is the sort of guy I can see myself as in twenty years...In a 2003 interview, MES mentions that the title character used to attend meetings at the Christian Psychic club that inspired "Psykick Dancehall," but "he wasn't that much into it."

Dan says:

"There are strong indications in the lyric that Jack is demonic, at least. But another echo is of - not Wearside Jack as above, but the 19th century Jack the Ripper: the infamous 1888 "From Hell" letter."

This is a letter sent from someone purporting to be Jack the Ripper, and posted along with half a kidney (the author claiming to have eaten the other half!) to the head of the voluntary Whitechapel Vigilance Committee, a George Lusk:

From hell

Mr Lusk
Sor
I send you half the
Kidne I took from one women
prasarved it for you tother pirce
I fried and ate it was very nise I
may send you the bloody knif that
took it out if you only wate a whil
longer.

signed
Catch me when
you Can
Mishter Lusk.

(Note "My kidneys burn/In the small of my back...")

The title probably comes from the muscle and joint balm called "Fiery Jack" which was probably not an altogther unknown commodity in the home of 45 year old laborers in 1980, although it was discontinued some time in the early 21st century.

rom Huckleberry:

"Fiery Jack is a 'deep heat' rub used to relieve muscle aches. I think it was popular in the north of England (the first time I heard about it was in a magazine about Yorkshire and I've never seen it on sale in the south) but it has apparently been discontinued in the UK."


http://dannyno.org.uk/fieryjack.jpg

This is in keeping with the song's portrayal of Jack as an aging character, as such an ointment would probably be used by older people, who tend to have more muscle aches.

Duncandisorderly points out that pranksters would apply the substance to toilet seats in order to give unwitting customers a burn.

Apparently there was an English circus clown named Fiery Jack (thanks to jensotto).

Some readers have suggested a connection to Jack Keruoac; the following quote from On the Road gives a little fuel to this view:

the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”

^

2. From harleyr:

After running this song round my head for thirty years, it has just occured to me that "every step is a drag" has a double meaning:
1) walking is tiresome for FJ
2) he takes a drag on a cigarette with every step.

^

3. Dan:

"An echo, perhaps, of initiatives like the Kühlmann Peace Kite, as it is known, of September 1917 (the timing is obviously significant in relation to what was happening in Russia)."

The "Kühlmann Peace Kite" was a nickname for the proposals put forth by Germany's foreign secratary Richard von Kühlmann in an attempt to negotiate a separate peace with Britain, in part in order to more vigorously pursue war against the new regime in Russia. The only connection to be made here is that it is a phrase MES may have heard; the complex details of peace negotiations between the warring powers seems unlikely to have any bearing on the case at hand. A "kite" is here intended to mean something, as one says, "floated," a kind of "trial balloon," which is a more or less synonymous phrase that is a bit more common. 

^

 

4. The reference to a "burning ring," and the line "I burn burn burn," is reminiscent of Johnny Cash's "Ring of Fire." MES has frequently proclaimed himself an admirer of Cash, and the song recalls the sound of Cash's 1950s Sun recordings like "Hey Porter," "Cry Cry Cry" and "Big River" more so than "Ring of Fire" itself, although the chugging rhythm section and bouncing bass is still in the same ballpark. The reference to Cash was often rendered explicit when the Fall performed the song; in at least one performance, "Ring of Fire" was interpolated into the Fall song. Esther also points out a strong resemblance to "Nothing Shakin' (But the Leaves on the Trees)" by Eddie Fontaine (and widely covered, including by the Beatles). And the main riff, on the other hand, is almost identical with the opening riff of "Lost Girl" by the Troggs. But this seems to be a riff that by some point had become more or less generic in rockabilly...

^

5. Peter Monk points out that this was released as a 45 RPM single--i.e., a "45"--so there is a pun here (which may or may not have been intended). 

^

6. This literally refers to music trade magazines, but there is an implied reference to Rough Trade Records, whose left-wing politics were beginning to annoy MES (see note 4 below).

^

7. From the interview quoted in note 1: "I mean that song's about twenty things. It's about anti-left wing. Also the Transmitters did a song called 'Free Trade,' saying 'this is mine,' which is so hypocritical." It's hard to reckon up exactly what's going on here. The Transmitters were a somewhat obscure New Wave band, with jazz fusion and psychedelic elements, who did a song in 1979 called "Free Trade." Judging by MES's remarks, and what I can make out of the lyrics, they were agin it. The song has a repeated refrain of "It's mine!" In any case, a quick perusal of the material available at the price of a click of the above link shows MES at the moment, in 1980, when he seems to have permanently found his interview voice: belligerent, digressive, indifferent to facts or reason, and beneath it all (but above all) very humorous. Perhaps it was the "Fiery Jack" character(s) who inspired MES to adopt this particular persona, which suggests nothing so much as an aging and loquacious barfly.

^

8. MES was a clerk on the Salford docks when he was around nineteen. 

^

Comments (55)

Huckleberry
  • 1. Huckleberry | 22/07/2013
Fiery Jack is a "deep heat" rub used to relieve muscle aches. I think it was popular in the north of England (the first time I heard about it was in a magazine about Yorkshire and I've never seen it on sale in the south) but it has apparently been discontinued in the UK.

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/aches-and-pains/medicines/fiery-jack-cream.html
Huckleberry
  • 2. Huckleberry | 22/07/2013
"Some men from the docks" - MES worked at one time as a clerk at Manchester Docks.
John
  • 3. John | 01/08/2013
MES once said that FJ was a vision of what MES might be like at 45.
Colin
  • 4. Colin | 16/12/2013
Jack is the name of Mark's late father, who was middle age when the song was written. That's gotta mean something.
dannyno
  • 5. dannyno | 28/09/2014
From Uncut magazine, October 2003:

"That was a feller I used to know. He was around at the psychic meetings too, actually, but he wasn't that much into it..."

http://thefall.org/news/pics/03oct-uncut.html
N.F.
  • 6. N.F. | 12/03/2015
I always wondered if this song contained elliptical references to Jack the Ripper and/or the Yorkshire Ripper case, which would have been big news in northern England at the time of the recording and release of "Fiery Jack", and if MES conflated the speed-freak dock worker with ideas about the serial killers to create the Fiery Jack character.

In 1979, there was a tape, later proven a hoax, delivered to police from someone claiming to be the Yorkshire Ripper, the first lines of which were "I'm Jack. I see you're having no luck catching me." Due to the accent of the man speaking on the tape, authorities erroneously concluded that the Ripper was from the Wearside area and he became briefly known as "Wearside Jack" in the press. I'm no expert on British geography, but from the looks of the map, it seems that Wearside would be an area with no shortage of dock workers.

Also, there is the famous "From Hell" letter from 1888 associated with the Jack the Ripper case with which the author (presumably Jack the Ripper) included a piece of a victim's kidney. Additionally, both Jack the Ripper and the Yorkshire Ripper targeted prostitutes.

Perhaps it's a case of me stretching to make a few coincidences meet up, but these famous cases always come to mind when I hear this song's mention of "kidneys" and the lines "You never catch/ Come up for a snatch/ Up from hell/ Once in awhile"
dannyno
  • 7. dannyno | 13/04/2015
Your last paragraph is persuasive that there could be a nod to the Wearside Jack case. Wearside would have been known for shipbuilding and mining; I'm not sure whether the profile of the Ripper would have included lorry driving in 1980 , but I will check that.
dannyno
  • 8. dannyno | 10/02/2016
There are strong indications in the lyric that Jack is demonic, at least.

But another echo is of - not Wearside Jack as above, but the 19th century Jack the Ripper: the infamous 1888 "From Hell" letter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Hell_letter
Jubal
  • 9. Jubal | 22/05/2016
Free Trade by the Transmitters is on Spotify. Having checked it out, it appears to be a character piece about a compulsive shoplifter - although a lot of it is hard to make out, so I may be wrong. However, it definitely contains repeated shouts of "It's mine!"
bzfgt
  • 10. bzfgt | 24/06/2016
Thanks, Jubal, I can never understand how to use Spotify, it's not actually a web site but software or something? I signed up once or twice and then I go there and nothing happens.

In any case the song is on Youtube now. I assume it wasn't when I wrote that note, either that or it's the laziest note I've ever done...
bzfgt
  • 11. bzfgt | 24/06/2016
Yeah, they say "It's mine!" I assumed it was something else because MES's position is ridiculous, basing it on the lyrics. But in light of what I say above, about his interview voice, he likely knows he's being ridiculous, he sort of revels in it, doesn't he?
Bob
  • 12. Bob (link) | 28/02/2017
There were no Docks in Manchester, the Docks were in Salford and are now for the most part called Salford Quays/Media City UK
bzfgt
  • 13. bzfgt (link) | 03/03/2017
Thanks, Bob!
dannyno
  • 14. dannyno | 03/03/2017
Bob is incorrect.

There were docks actually in Manchester:
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/aug/07/pomona-lost-island-manchester-dockland-wasteland-oasis

See also the detailed explanation here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_docks [not all the docks under this heading were in Manchester mind]
bzfgt
  • 15. bzfgt (link) | 03/03/2017
Fuck, damn it, where did he work? Wikipedia says "Salford," and the rest doesn't matter in that case since I need make no claims about other docks in other locations.
dannyno
  • 16. dannyno | 03/03/2017
MES worked at the Salford docks. I just didn't want the idea that there weren't any docks actually in Manchester to take root.
duncandisorderly
  • 17. duncandisorderly (link) | 01/09/2017
pranksters would rub fiery jack ointment onto toilet seats so that the next occupant would gradually feel their arse burning up.
bzfgt
  • 18. bzfgt (link) | 07/10/2017
A belated thank you to Huckleberry is in order, and thanks duncandisorderly also.
dan
  • 19. dan | 04/02/2018
I cant help thinking 'ring of fire' may be a reference to lower bowel problems quite possibly exacerbated by very heavy drinking and an unhealthy diet but I do like the Johnny Cash connection. I always thought it was "English grenade" and "pissed as a kite" but I think you my be right.

Dan
Peter Mork
  • 20. Peter Mork | 11/02/2018
"I'm 45" - well it's a 45 RPM record, so it's the record referring to itself.
dannyno
  • 21. dannyno | 11/02/2018
Comment #20. But the lyric is:

I sat and drank
For three decades
I'm 45
Cause I am Jack


Which is clearly enough Jack speaking, and telling us that he started drinking heavily when he was 15.
bzfgt
  • 22. bzfgt (link) | 17/02/2018
Right but I think Peter is right to point out a kind of internal joke or pun there. Very clever on both MES's part (if it's intentional) and that of Peter...
bzfgt
  • 23. bzfgt (link) | 17/02/2018
Comment 19--different Dan?
bzfgt
  • 24. bzfgt (link) | 17/02/2018
I mean he could have sung "I am a 45 RPM record," but that would be dumb. If there's a punning reference to the format, of course it makes a different kind of sense in context.
dannyno
  • 25. dannyno | 17/02/2018
Comment #19 isn't me, no. My comments always have the "facts" cannon :-)
jensotto
  • 26. jensotto | 27/01/2019
BBC Genome points towards the Blackpool circus clown Fiery Jack, broadcast on 2ZY Manchester 1929 https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/a8f860dc46434fb1850648b76a354f8b
There are some mystical search results in Genome, like https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/dad1e58051af4069ab0ada38389b785d
I suspect more pieces of Radio Times clips have found their way into The MES lyrical universe (as well as many others'). Makes me sad, as I've seen friends go to pieces trying to express something their muses have given them.
Examples: Elastic+man - some choices, Hobgoblin (Moomintrolls?), Bombast (Beethoven, Vittoria?), aso.
dannyno
  • 27. dannyno | 20/04/2019
From "Is This the Rise and Rise..." by Chris Westwood, Record Mirror, 22 March 1980, p.34:


"Or like that character Fiery Jack, he's someone I know: that song's an attempt to get back at that ageism thing, where people are supposed to be screwed after they're 20. I mean, the people in the pub where I go are 48 or 50, but they've more guts than all these other preeners. In every generation you get this core of spirit, and they never lose it... while all these teenagers, kids in their early twenties, you get a 70 per cent rebellion, and 60 per cent of them cop out."
dannyno
  • 28. dannyno | 28/04/2019
jensotto has found an interesting association. The implication that MES spent his time poring over old editions of Radio Times for ideas is I think implausible (though not impossible), however it is obviously notable that "Fiery Jack" was a kind of theatrical character.

I've done a bit more research, and found a notice of the death of Fred Zetina (aka Fiery Jack) in The Stage, 25 May 1978. So it seems he died on 12th May 1978 - just the year before the live debut of this song.
dannyno
  • 29. dannyno | 28/04/2019
A tin of Fiery Jack ointment. Trademark registered 1935, by the way.

http://dannyno.org.uk/fieryjack.jpg
dannyno
  • 30. dannyno | 01/05/2019
I've been doing some research into the life and times of Fiery Jack, aka Fred Zetina. Just because it's interesting, not because I think he's likely to be a source of the song (though it is possible MES' parents could have seen him perform). Need to write it up.

In the meantime here's a signed postcard of him that I've managed to get hold of.

It's dated 1934.

http://dannyno.org.uk/fieryjackpostcard.jpg
dannyno
  • 31. dannyno | 02/05/2019
"And peace is a kite of materials"

An echo, perhaps, of initiatives like the Kühlmann Peace Kite, as it is known, of September 1917 (the timing is obviously significant in relation to what was happening in Russia). The German Secretary of State, Richard von Kühlmann made an approach via Spain for talks towards a negotiated peace. It didn't amount to anything, but it is a thing.

There was also the "Harvard Peace Kite".
esther
  • 32. esther | 18/06/2019
Meant to include a link in that comment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNIgJm9xfkA
esther
  • 33. esther | 18/06/2019
Was listening to a spotify radio thing a couple months ago and was struck by the resemblence of "Nothin' Shakin' (But the Leaves on the Trees)" by Eddie Fontaine to this track, heard it again somewhere else today and had to comment, entire riff seems ripped straight from it, another of mark's rockabilly favourites maybe? covered by various others too though
bzfgt
  • 34. bzfgt (link) | 21/06/2019
I started to annotate "Harvard Peace Kite"; this outtake serves as an explanation of why I didn't use it:

"Harvard Peace Kite" is not a widely used phrase; in one book, it has been used to describe attempts by Germany to lobby to keep America out of the Great War via the efforts of a sympathetic Harvard professor. I didn't find the Harvard edition of the phrase elsewhere, and it likely never had general currency. The latter phrase seems to be modeled on the former, and it's not likely MES knew of the Harvard version. But I take Dan's point to be that it is a phrase he may have heard; the complex details of peace negotiations between the warring powers seems unlikely to have any bearing on the case at hand. A "kite" is here intended to mean something, as one says, "floated," or a kind of "trial balloon."
bzfgt
  • 35. bzfgt (link) | 21/06/2019
Esther--hmm, there is quite a resemblance (except in tempo!) but the riff seems sort of generic too? I'm not sure if that song in particular is significant? See for instance "Hey Porter" which is closer to the speed of Fiery Jack...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bksZ4Qu18kc

I wish I knew more about the genre, and where that kind of riff originated...I suspect, though, that there would be a lengthy note to account for that. Better would be direct evidence the song was influenced by one instance or another in particular...
bzfgt
  • 36. bzfgt (link) | 21/06/2019
Interestingly, the Billy Fury version resembles it much less...the Beatles one a bit more though
bzfgt
  • 37. bzfgt (link) | 21/06/2019
Also the Troggs thing...anyway I noted "Nothing Shakin'"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7BVrVH4mjU
dannyno
  • 38. dannyno | 22/06/2019
Comment #34, yes, exactly, it's the generic use of the phrase I'm wanting to draw attention to.
harleyr
  • 39. harleyr | 15/03/2020
After running this song round my head for thirty years, it has just occured to me that 'every step is a drag' has a double meaning:
1) walking is tiresome for FJ
2) he takes a drag on a cigarette with every step.
bzfgt
  • 40. bzfgt (link) | 20/03/2020
I hadn't thought of 2) but I think you're right on!
Binyi
  • 41. Binyi | 08/04/2020
The interview link in note 7 is dead, unfortunately - here's the backup.
bzfgt
  • 42. bzfgt (link) | 10/04/2020
Thank you!!!
westpier
  • 43. westpier | 14/12/2020
Always thought 'Jack' was in part a reference to Jack Kerouac, wasn't his style of writing 'speed' influenced? MES relocating him to Lancashire as part of his Country 'n' Northern shtick. Also guessing that 'grenade' might referring to speed pills, ie. black bombers (adderall).
dannyno
  • 44. dannyno | 18/12/2020
Yeah, there could be a bit of Kerouac in there (he died aged 47, to save anyone else checking...).

I haven't found any evidence that a "grenade" is a slang term of any sort of drugs, though it's plausible that it could be. Otherwise it's just an aggressive phrase that fits.

Or maybe it's food: http://www.theoldfoodie.com/2014/09/how-to-cook-grenade.html

This is how the OED defines it: "dish consisting of pieces of larded veal braised with pigeons". But it's pretty obscure.
dannyno
  • 45. dannyno | 15/01/2021
from "The Prestwich Horror and Other Strange Stories", interview by Edwin Pouncey, Sounds magazine, 31 January 1981:

(Pouncey has asked about The N.W.R.A., and MES links Totale to the Lovecraft Mythos, taking in Underground Medecin, and we end up here:)


I don't want to give too much of that away, because I think that's part of the attraction, but anyway I killed him off. But the rap on the back of the 'Fiery Jack' sleeve is the manuscript that Roman Totale left, he was born in Lancashire and fled to Wales which all fits in with the Arthur Machen influence, it does fit in with Lovecraft's; 'Cthulhu' Mythos too. It's just dead strongly influenced.
dannyno
  • 46. dannyno | 15/01/2021
Note #1, the 1980 interview link is dead.

New link: http://thefall.org/news/pics/sounds21_06_80_page18.jpg and http://thefall.org/news/pics/sounds21_06_80_page19.jpg

For the record, the quote is from "Totale Turnaround", a Dave McCullough interview in Sounds, 21 June 1980, pp.18-19.
mick farrelly
  • 47. mick farrelly | 30/01/2021
burn x 3 Kerouac link: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/3831-the-only-people-for-me-are-the-mad-ones-the
mick farrelly
  • 48. mick farrelly | 30/01/2021
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/3831-the-only-people-for-me-are-the-mad-ones-the
dannyno
  • 49. dannyno | 16/02/2021
mick farrelly, comments 47/48.

Surprised we've not found that already.

Here's the quote from Kerouac's On The Road


They rushed down the street together, digging everything in the early way they had, which later became so much sadder and perceptive and blank. But then they danced down the streets like dingledodies, and I shambled after as I’ve been doing all my life after people who interest me, because the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”


So we have "burn burn burn", and if you replace "mad" with "fast" it's almost but not quite a direct quote!
dannyno
  • 50. dannyno | 30/11/2021
A few years later The Toy Dolls had a song with the same title:



It's a comedy song about backache. Yawn.
John Reardon
  • 51. John Reardon | 16/06/2022
"And/or free trade"
"And all free trade"

Are you sure it isn't "And on free trade"? (It would also make more sense.)
Mark Oliver
  • 52. Mark Oliver | 28/08/2023
When this first came out, I just dug it as a great off-kilter song and sort of let the words wash over me, without analysing them particularly, but from a few phrases that jumped out..' from a burning ring', 'my face is slack', 'I just burn, burn burn', 'eat this grenade', I formed the notion that at least part of it was referring to Niki Lauda. He was an Austrian racing driver who, in 1976, had a serious crash at the Nurburgring/Burningring racetrack, in which he indeed did burn, burn, burn, so badly that his face was disfigured and 'slack', as though he had in fact suffered the side effects of eating a grenade. Does anyone else think that MES would be laughing himself silly at all these attempts to interpret the 'meaning' of his scattergun gobbledegook?
dannyno
  • 53. dannyno | 04/09/2023
Mark Oliver, comment #52. Speaking for myself, I couldn't care less what MES would have thought. What's it got to do with him?
Mark Oliver
  • 54. Mark Oliver | 25/09/2023
Yeah, the bum!
koroviev
  • 55. koroviev | 01/01/2024
“Every step is a drag” could reference a corruption of the body, a bad leg?

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