Papal Visit
Lyrics
Hosanna (2)
First impressions...
Hosanna
Papal did visit, human trash
Waste
Prostrate, yellow-white umbrellas
Roam around
Universal love..for them...for the....
Papal visit
Human trash roam the town
Woke up by hosanna
Helicopters strip the land
First impressions will be the last
Woke up at 2
The man from iron
What happened to the man from iron (3)
Mediator one
Human trash
Come for the visit
Eating lay bread
From what they come to call it
Sound like a yokel
For the first time
First impression will be the last...
Peace resounds
Lay bread Is in the nose and mouth
For the first time In the assassin line
Papal visit In the town
For the first time
Understood the assassin line Is all around
Notes
1. In the spring of 1982, Pope John Paul II visited Britain. It was the first time a sitting Pope visited the UK, and the trip was almost cancelled due to the war over the Falkland Islands (as a compromise, the Pope also visited Argentina immediately afterward, and he did not meet with Margaret Thatcher while in Britain). Some of MES's patriotic views about the war in the Falklands are recorded under my entry for "Marquis Cha-Cha." As for his views about the Pope, The Story of the Fall reproduces the following quote:
"This Polish boy he really frightens - no - disgusts me. I mean he's reeking of socialist dictatorship, man, he's propogating populist myths. 'The People's Pope' - but he's really quite insidious. The guy stinks."
From Renegade (thanks to vegetables for finding it and typing it up):
"I was living near Heaton Park. The Pope came to visit the park in 1982; that's where the song 'Papal Visit' on [i]Room to Live[/i] originated from. I was in the top flat for a couple of weeks before I moved on. I could see all these Jesuits in the gardens below, rooting through the trees for bombs and things. But the best part was when this Loyalist from Belfast ran at the Pope with this big butcher's knife. All these bishops and cardinals struggled him to the ground. He'd come flying out of The Ostrich pub, just over the road from the park. He was pissed out of his head, draped in a flag - I think he'd just swiped a rugby flag off the wall - Sedgley Park rugby! It's a big Catholic area, Prestwich. The last thing they wanted to see was this Geoff Capes type with a load of lager in his gut and a kitchen sword in his hand. It was a very sensitive period."
From the Room to Live press statement: "PAPAL VISIT was mostly recorded less than one quarter a mile away from same visit to Manchester during it, and the birds in the trees can be heard embracing their human equals."
Joe McKechnie suggests experimental composer Philip Johnson, whose work is sometimes described as "Industrial," may be an influence. MES mentions Johnson's Radio City in his 1981 contribution to the NME feature "Portait of the Artist as a Consumer." And Dan reports that Johnson's One Forty Three is on The Disparate Cogscienti, the compilation MES put out on Cog Sinister in 1988. See More Information for a reproduction of the NME feature.
2. Hosanna (sometimes spelled "Hosannah", Hebrew Hosha-nah) literally means "save (us)," but it is most often used in a liturgical setting as a term that connotes something like "praise the Lord." This usage is very old; for instance, in Mark 11:10, we find "Hosanna in the highest" (Hosanna en tois hupsystois), which wouldn't make much sense as the imperative form of "save."
3. From Russell: "Man of Iron was Andrzej Wajda's anti-Govt film from the Solidarity period (though dealing with a slightly earlier period) and seems a good match for a different (lay, anti-authoritarian) view of Poland and popes.
More Information
Comments (27)

- 1. | 20/08/2013

- 2. | 17/04/2015
"I was living near Heaton Park. The Pope came to visit the park in 1982; that's where the song 'Papal Visit' on Room to Live originated from.
I was in the top flat for a couple of weeks before I moved on. I could see all these Jesuits in the gardens below, rooting through the trees for bombs and things. But the best part was when this Loyalist from Belfast ran at the Pope with this big butcher's knife. All these bishops and cardinals struggled him to the ground. He'd come flying out of The Ostrich pub, just over the road from the park. He was pissed out of his head, draped in a flag - I think he'd just swiped a rugby flag off the wall - Sedgley Park rugby!
It's a big Catholic area, Prestwich. The last thing they wanted to see was this Geoff Capes type with a load of lager in his gut and a kitchen sword in his hand. It was a very sensitive period."

- 3. | 12/05/2015

- 4. | 13/10/2015

- 5. | 08/10/2017
PAPAL VISIT was mostly recorded less than one quarter a mile away from same visit to Manchester during it, and the birds in the trees can be heard embracing their human equals.

- 6. | 28/03/2018
Dan

- 7. | 05/04/2018

- 8. | 05/05/2019

- 9. | 27/10/2019
Looks like the Pope went to Manchester 30 May, then to York, Scotland, and Cardiff 2 June.
Room to Live - about Victorian housing late Nov 1931, or radio mid-Jan 1980? There were other rooms - like Simple Minds'.
Another "IT-girl" was Chili Bouchier. Chilinists may prefer the song Chili Bom-Bom, a radio-hit mid 20s (later by Temperance 7). Chili was first seen in the The Happy Hangman https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/bbctv/1939-08-30#at-22.00

- 10. | 17/11/2019
Mark E included Philip's Radio City release in his NME 'Portrait of the artist as a Consumer' chart.
https://a1000mistakes.wordpress.com/2018/12/04/portrait-of-the-artist-as-a-consumer-mark-e-smith/
My first group [The Transistors] was with Philip's brother John & so I met him a few times at his parents home in Norris Green, Liverpool.
Radio City was one of a number of his releases during the late 70's early 80's when people putting out DIY cassette recordings was a thing.
One method Philip used was to load rubber bands into one portable mono cassette deck, & record the sound they made with another deck.
Sounds like Smith's kind of thing eh?
More here https://dieordiy2.blogspot.com/2014/03/philip-johnson-radio-city-self-released.html

- 11. | 23/11/2019
https://soundcloud.com/greeninconline/philip-johnson-radio-city

- 12. | 23/11/2019

- 13. | 23/11/2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn4usYA7K6c

- 14. | 23/11/2019

- 15. | 24/11/2019
I wouldn't say Radio City fed into Papal Visit, it was one of Philip's other releases, he played it to me, no idea on titles etc.

- 16. | 27/11/2019

- 17. | 06/03/2020

- 18. | 07/07/2020

- 19. | 24/07/2020

- 20. | 24/07/2020

- 21. | 14/11/2020
"No - it's not anti-Catholic, fer Christ's sake! the rest of the band are all Catholics... "I was brought up a Methodist - they're the ones who wanted to burn down all the Catholic churches and used to encourage people to drop hot wax on priests' heads! ... I'm just strongly vibed by John Paul II. . . this Polish boy he really frightens me - no - disgusts. I mean he's reeking of socialist dictatorship man, he's propagating populist myths. . . 'The people's Pope' - but he's really quite insidious. The guy stinks. "I'll tell you a story about their precious Pope. . . Kay bought this book, a biography of Roman Polanski - you know, the film director - his family lived in a Warsaw ghetto during the war. His mother was shot by a German soldier and his father blamed him coz he'd been playing in an area that was restricted - no Jews allowed, and he'd attracted the Nazis to the house. So his Dad packed him off to the country...some Catholic families used to take in Jewish kids to hide them from the Nazis. Anyway Polanski got shunted off to Cracow - and guess whose family took him in? Yeah, JP's - he was the eldest son. Anyhow the family got real paranoid about the Nazis, jittery you know, so they finally chucked him out of the house to fend for himself, left him to his own devices - and their fucking son becomes Pope - preaches love thy neighbour, Christian charity, better love no man has than he who lays down his life for his friend, big fucking deal! Biggest fucking hypocrite in the world that guy is ... "

- 22. | 14/11/2020
Over on the FOF back in 2017 (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/thefall/the-mark-e-smith-book-club-t28033-s306.html), I pointed out that the Polanski biography Kay bought was probably Repulsion: the life and times of Roman Polanski, by Thomas Kiernan (Grove Press, (US) 1980/New English Library (UK), 1981). I have the UK edition.
But if so, MES isn't recalling the story correctly.
Here's a quote from p.24 of my UK edition:
In anticipation of the final round-up, Roman's uncle had collected his few remaining funds and offered them to a Catholic family in a Cracow suburb in exchange for their taking in his two children, Zbigniew and Josef, and protecting them from harm. Now, unknown to the family, Roman was added to the transaction. The name of the family was Koslewski.
And there's a footnote to that paragraph which reads:
It was an irony of Roman Polanski's life that the Koslewskis were related to another Catholic family in Cracow named Wojtyla. Among the Wojtyla family in 1941 was an eighteen-year-old youth who had given up his theatrical ambitions to study for the priesthood at a Cracow seminary. His name was Karol Wojtyla, and over the next thirty-eight years he would rise to become a Cardinal of the Church and Archbishop of Cracow before, in the fall of 1978, being elected Pope. In 1977, a year before his ascension to the Papal Throne as Pope John Paul II, Cardinal Wojtyla would receive a plea for help from Polanski, then languishing in a California prison.
To repeat (with a couple of amendments) what I noted over on the FOF:
The story is that Roman Polanski escorted his cousins to the Koslewskis, but they sent him away because they hadn't been expecting him. He could stay if he returned with payment from his own father. So Roman returned to the ghetto - to find that everyone had vanished. He went on the run, staying with a succession of families who would take him in. He went back to the Koslewskis, who sent him on to the Tomasialowicz family.
According to Polanski's version of events, Mrs Tomasialowicz was an alcoholic, who wasted the money and also boasted in public about taking in a Jewish boy on the run. German soldiers turned up, but Polanski managed to escape. He threw himself on the mercy of the Koslewskis again, who this time took him in temporarily before sending him off to another branch of the family, who didn't know Roman was Jewish, until a disastrous sexual incident leading to a barn fire led to his uncovering. But he was allowed to stay.
The story actually has nothing to do with the future pope.

- 23. | 15/11/2020

- 24. | 16/11/2020

- 25. | 13/02/2021
Unless that's just a little intro and then he gets into the details subsequently.
Of course, none of this has anything to do with the matter at hand.

- 26. | 16/02/2021
The story is told in much more detail in Kiernan's book.

- 27. | 21/02/2021
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl22MdZqYJQ
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/the-day-the-pope-came-to-town-1067219
Don't have the reference to hand, but I remember reading about MES complaining that the crowds squashed all the park's magic mushrooms.
Dan