Trust in Me

Trust in Me

 

 (1)

(KC = Kenny Cummings, PS = Phil Schuster, Ding = Simon Archer, Billy = Billy Pavone)

KC:
Verdant is your superlative
The story
You can talk to me in all confidentiality
Trust In Me, I am Dr. Me

PS:
After you left the surgery, don't you worry
I will come around to your house for tea

Ding:
Trust In Me
I'm Dr. Me

Billy:
Messengers enjoy being given gifts
Every three months

KC:
If you need an x-ray (Ding: Trust in me)
I will come to your house and do it for free

Billy:
After you left surgery
Don't you worry
I will come around to your home
For a cup of tea, trust in me

Ding:
Trust In Me

KC
Messengers enjoy being given gifts, every three weeks

PS
If you need an x-ray

Ding:
I'll come around to your house

PS:
And do them for free

Billy:
Billy, Ding, Kenny and Phil
Billy, Ding, Kenny and Phil

Notes

 1.  Studio hands Simon "Ding" Archer, Billy Pavone, Kenny Cummings and Phil Schuster (the latter two from a New York band called Shelby) supply the vocals on this track, and although I'm not sure who the main lead vocalist is, one of them seems to hit it a bit more than the others. The vocals do make one miss MES, but at the same time they fit the song, which is a lot of fun, albeit an odd way to end an album which also opens oddly.

The song came together spontaneously in the studio. According to Ben Pritchard:

That album was recorded live.  Y’know, there was very, very few over-dubs.  The band went in and recorded, Mark went in.  We did that in New York, that was three weeks work, that was a good session.  But as far as the writing’s concerned, sometimes we’d go in the studio and Protein Protection’s a good example.  That was on the day, just started out as a bit of a jam.  We needed a new song and that’s what came out of it.  Trust In Me off FHR was done the same, but most of the songs are done individually.  I mean, we hand ‘em in, Mark has a listen to them, either he says, “Yeah, I’ll have it,” or “No, go back and give me another one”.

And Reformation reproduces the following information about the song:

As for the guest vocal appearances, this is what Kenny Cummings and Phil Schuster had to say on a now defunct website (via Wayback Machine):
 
"Shelby arrived at the Gigantic Music offices this evening to sign their recording contracts. Celebration was in the air. Hanging out in the lounge of the recording studio were Mark E. Smith and Elena Poulou of The Fall (who were there recording their new album for Narnack Records, using the beautiful facilities known as Gigantic Recording Studios).

Enjoying a break from recording their parts, Mark and Elena were happy to join in the signing ceremony acting as official witnesses. One thing led to another, and before the ink was dry, Kenny and Phil were in the recording studio adding vocals to one of the new Fall tracks. Mark christened the song Kenny and Phil and Billy and Ding also commemorating vocals added by engineer Billy Pavone and producer Dingo. We don’t know if the track will make the album, but it was a fun experience."

Thanks to Kenny Cummings for clarification on the lyrics, and his account of the recording of this track (see More Information below). 

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More Information

Trust in Me: Fall Tracks A-Z

 

A Conversation Between Martin Peters and Guest Vocalist Kenny Cummings About The Recording of "Trust In Me":

Was the song – words and music – already pretty much complete and ready to record when you went into the studio, or did you work together on its composition, etc?
KC: The story goes – we (Phil Schuster and I = Shelby) were up in Gigantic Music’s loft to officially sign our recording contract. The loft is comprised of some office space, a lounge, and a huge, beautiful studio (once belonging to Philip Glass). The Fall were in recording the “Heads Will Roll” (sic : Kenny must have had the Yeah Yeah Yeahs on his mind..Editor) record. We were excited to be in their company while they worked. In fact Phil and I crossed paths with Mark several times during those weeks in our travels to and from Gigantic. On this particular night Mark was enjoying his favorite malt beverage in the lounge and he and Eleni were actually witnesses to our signing the deal. Mark was in great spirits and quite jovial, jumping up and giving hugs to all once the papers were signed. Mark and Eleni spent a lot of time those weeks in the lounge whilst the producers worked on sounds, and this night was no different. At sometime during our festivities Mark foisted a piece of notebook paper into my hands and sputtered out “Have a go!”. I looked at the paper and and there was handwritten scrawl across the page. I looked up at Mark completely unsure of what he was asking, while Eleni sat in the corner chuckling. He proceeded to wave his hands as if to shoo me off, and Eleni looked at me and said in no uncertain terms, “He wants you to go sing it.” Wow. What could I say? I was absolutely floored! I was not worthy! But I would’ve offended had I even questioned his motives, so off to the studio I went. As I entered, engineer Billy Pavone was there working with Fall bassist/producer Ding, noodling on a synthesizer looking for a melody line for this song. Billy and I were friends, but when I explained what was going on, he bellowed “Who authorized this?!!!?” I’m sure this caught him off guard. So, sure enough, Mark poked his head in the room and blurted something out indecipherable while vigorously waving his arms then abruptly left the room, not to return for the rest of the session. Ding looked at Billy and me, shrugged, and away we went. The music was already recorded but there were no vocals on the track. In fact, when I went into the vocal room to begin recording. They ran the playback and I just started winging it, trying to phrase his writings. I had to tone down the melodies I was coming up with as it was getting “too pretty” for a Fall song. I did about 4 complete takes from top to bottom, reading from Mark’s handwritten page of lyrics. Then Phil Schuster came in to have a go. Then Billy and Ding got on the game. If you listen to the song it has 4 different vocalists on it in different sections of the song. “Billy & Ding, Kenny and Phil”. What melody exists was pretty-much verbatim what I came up with. It was great fun and a complete honor. To this day I still can’t believe how it all happened, and it happened so fast!

Did you have any creative input in the track or did you just do as you were told, as it were!!
KC: Complete creative input, at least as far as melody and phrasing. Mark wanted someone else’s input and was laisser-faire about it all.

How much rehearsal time did you need?
KC: None! It was done in very few takes. The whole thing couldn’t have taken more than an hour.

Was it an enjoyable experience, what was it like working with The Fall, and were you happy with the finished result?
KC: It was incredible to meet and hang out with Mark and Eleni over those few weeks. Good folks, they are. They came to our record release party and were quite animated, to say the least. It was an honor to become as close to them as we were. Regarding “Trust In Me”, it was completely surreal…right time/right place. I suppose the song title is apropo – he trusted, and the song was there as the final track as he promised. It could be one of the most low-key recording sessions Shelby has ever done, yet had such significance. I will never forget it!

Comments (37)

Mark
  • 1. Mark | 03/07/2014
The first line, to me, sounds like "Their dentist: your superlative".
Zack
  • 2. Zack | 01/03/2017
"gifts every 3 days" should be "gifts every three months" both times.
Piss
  • 3. Piss | 31/10/2017
It's definitely not as suggested in note 2, the beginning.

What it sounds like and would make sense is, "the dentist: your superlative." This because superlative in this sense means a thing embodying excellence. So the author mocks those who hold dentists in high esteem, understandable as most people despise going to the dentist and generally hold a dim view of their profession. My thinking most, with teeth that suffer their trade, do not like dentists much.

What's more I don't know if this is stating the obvious but Dr Lee is the major antagonist in William Burroughs's Naked Lunch, a sadistic psychopath who abuses his power and experiments on patients, and specifically targets drug users, homosexuals, etc, ergo stands for authorities/institutions aggression toward counterculture itself.

"The story" is and explanation of why dentists should not be held in great esteem, via a rendering of a Dr Lee-like character who cannotbbe trusted.

Author joins Burroughs's call to arms against medical institutions as instruments of stars violence against the counterculture, or at least identifies with is, whether serious or partly in jest, just as with Burroughs, we cannot know.

As for the three months thing I have nothing but a wild guess it could be a reference to the writing of Naked Lunch which Burroughs, a messenger, undertook in isolation in Morocco where he received and certainly endured regular shipments of heroin and hashish to keep his writing flowing out, which he in turn shipped out everything few months to his friends in Paris and New York who got what they could published in various subversive magazines etc. This was all pretty mad shit in times we can't understand now.

In my opinion song is jestful ode to Burroughs via common hatred off dentists
dannyno
  • 4. dannyno | 08/11/2017
Re: note #1 and the "now defunct website" referred to in Fall News (http://thefall.org/news/05sep30.html).

The website may be defunct, but a snapshot of the site is available in the Internet Archive via the Wayback Machine. https://web.archive.org/web/20051026052626/http://giganticmusic.com:80/artists/shelbypages/news.html.
dannyno
  • 5. dannyno | 08/11/2017
More information here, conversation between Kenny Cummings and Martin Peters sometimes of this parish:

https://halfedge.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/trusting-in-me/

Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20171108222729/https://halfedge.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/trusting-in-me/
bzfgt
  • 6. bzfgt (link) | 11/11/2017
Piss, listening now it does sound like "their," though, although I can't swear to it and I'm tempted to go with "the." Otherwise, great fucking note! Thank you!!!
bzfgt
  • 7. bzfgt (link) | 11/11/2017
Piss, I edited your comment ever so slightly, as I often do when I add comments to the notes. I hope you do not mind.
bzfgt
  • 8. bzfgt (link) | 11/11/2017
"The author joins Burroughs's call to arms against medical institutions as instruments of stars' violence against the counterculture"

Why "stars"? I cut that out, but does it mean something I'm missing?
bzfgt
  • 9. bzfgt (link) | 11/11/2017
I mean, even if the Burroughs connection isn't there that comment captures something I think, and the Burroughs thing may well be correct. It's not "obvious," in fact I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm one of the probably few heads of my generation not to have read Naked Lunch.
bzfgt
  • 10. bzfgt (link) | 02/12/2017
Dan, Wayback Machine won't show me that page, although it is acting oddly tonight and wouldn't let me add something before so I should revisit this in a couple days.
bzfgt
  • 11. bzfgt (link) | 02/12/2017
Never mind, I just had to get rid of [url] (I don't know why your link didn't take me right to the page itself)
bzfgt
  • 12. bzfgt (link) | 02/12/2017
I wish piss would come back and answer my interrogation
bzfgt
  • 13. bzfgt (link) | 02/12/2017
about "stars" I don't know if that was something important
Fall Liker
  • 14. Fall Liker | 15/01/2020
I think "stars" was a typo, maybe "state violence" since in the UK dentists used to work for the NHS, part of the government. Some still take NHS patients but most doctors now are "fundholders" who manage their own budget, allocated on I think a per-patient basis, and set their own salaries and pay their bills out of that. So self-employed even if partly government-paid, and they mostly take private paying patients as well.

Anyway, what's in the song that it's a bad dentist? Such dentophobia! He sounds quite nice to come round and X-ray you for nothing, lugging his big X-ray machine in his car, or even the back of his bike the poor bloke. And a nice cup of tea because he considers you both to be friends. Nice! Just because Burroughs wrote about a loony quack doesn't mean much. Burroughs wrote about all sorts of headcases! And yeah Naked Lunch is mad once you realise it's not actually a novel and there's no real story, just vignettes. I particularly like the couple who trade stuff in the Interzone, the Norwegian I think, and his mate. That was a good bit of writing.

Ah well, will miss you MES, but at least I got to see them live.
Fall Liker
  • 15. Fall Liker | 15/01/2020
Also, technically "superlative" doesn't have to mean "good". It just means most. Like bad / worse / worst or some / more / most. Quick / quicker / quickest. Superlative being the last word in those sequences. He doesn't have to be the best anything, just the most something. Soz, forgot to add that to the other comment.
Fall Liker
  • 16. Fall Liker | 18/01/2020
Also... we appear to have missed out a line from the top. It sounds a lot like "urgent is your superlative" than "dentist" but I'd accept "virgins" or some other word that fit in there. Then after "superlative", "restraint", next line - "You can trust in me and I'll come and get you out of it" although that last bit might be "altitude", this lad's not much clearer with his enunciation than MES! Actually I'll take that back, nobody's THAT mumbly!

Minor soz that this makes 3 posts in a row but that's the nature of thought, things occurring hours or a day after your first point was made. And the place is... a bit quiet... so there's not much intervening conversation. Minor soz. Not really any sort of big deal.

Love to you all!
bzfgt
  • 17. bzfgt (link) | 19/01/2020
Thanks FL, now you say it it seems obvious it was a typo. I'll listen to the line
bzfgt
  • 18. bzfgt (link) | 19/01/2020
It sounds like "virgin eat your superlative" except "superlative"is also very uncertain
dannyno
  • 19. dannyno | 21/01/2020
Comment #14, Fall Liker:

in the UK dentists used to work for the NHS, part of the government.


This is somewhat misleading. In the UK, most dentists are in fact private practitioners and always have been. Although many if not most will treat NHS patients as contractors in effect, a significant number do not. Dentistry is notable for not having been incorporated into the NHS in the way other health services were, notably GPs.
Kenny Cummings
  • 20. Kenny Cummings (link) | 26/01/2020
Here’s the story from my side:

https://halfedge.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/trusting-in-me/
Kenny Cummings
  • 21. Kenny Cummings | 26/01/2020
Somewhere I have a photo of the sheet of paper with Mark's scrawl:
We all did several takes singing it down entirely, then Ding comped the vocals with different singers doing different lines. Fun times. Read the link I posted above, complete with pics.

-Kenny Cummings

Lyrics to Trust In Me:

(KC = Kenny Cummings, PS = Phil Schuster, Ding = Simon Archer, Billy = Billy Pavone)

KC:
Verdant is your superlative
The story
You can talk to me in all confidentiality
Trust In Me, I am Dr. Me

PS:
After you left the surgery, don't you worry
I will come around to your house for tea

Ding:
Trust In Me

Billy:
Messengers enjoy being given gifts
Every three months

KC:
If you need an x-ray (Ding: Trust in me)
I will come to your house and do it for free

Billy:
After you left surgery
Don't you worry
I will come around to your home
For a cup of tea, trust in me

Ding:
Trust In Me

KC
Messengers enjoy being given gifts, every three months

PS
If you need an x-ray

Ding:
I'll come around to your house

PS:
And do it for free

Ding:
Billy Ding Kenny and Phil
bzfgt
  • 22. bzfgt (link) | 01/02/2020
Thank you, Kenny! This is very good!
bzfgt
  • 23. bzfgt (link) | 01/02/2020
Kenny, I'm putting that whole thing in "More Information" to ensure it is saved for posterity. Let me know if you object to this, in which case I'll remove it.
bzfgt
  • 24. bzfgt (link) | 01/02/2020
Oh I see it's already linked there, sorry I thought the lyrics were from there and it was something different. Thanks for the lyrics, that clears up why it doesn't sound like "dentist"
bzfgt
  • 25. bzfgt (link) | 01/02/2020
Far superior to the transcription we had
dannyno
  • 26. dannyno | 01/02/2020
There's a note #2 link in the text, but it doesn't go anywhere, because there is no note #2!
bzfgt
  • 27. bzfgt (link) | 01/02/2020
Damn it I can't find it, what link?
dannyno
  • 28. dannyno | 01/02/2020
The new transcription is great.

Except for a couple of things.

The coda is missing:

"Billy Ding Kenny and Phil
Billy Ding Kenny Phil"

Ding's first "Trust in Me" is followed by "Doctor Me".

In between Kenny's first "I will come to your house and do it for free" and Billy's "After you/you've left surgery" is a parenthetical "Doctor Me".

The last line before the coda is "do them for free" not "do it for free"
Fall Liker
  • 29. Fall Liker | 10/02/2020
Wow, thanks Kenny! I post here and 2 weeks later an actual Fall member shows up! An actual singer from the song! As previously discussed in Inspiral Carpets vs Yer Granny (the landmark "Bongos Ruling") you and the other 3 singers here are Fall members, even more so than some.

An actual quotation from actual fag-packet-esque relics in MES's own handwriting is about the best we get for lyrics I think. Nice to have them from the written source and also from one of the singers quoting what he actually sang, and the rest. At the moment Trust In Me is getting heavy play on my headphones. The other week it was Stormy Weather by The Pixies.

Can't think of anything to say right now except "thanks!". I may have some more thoughts later. Thanks, and thanks for a great website, weblad.
Fall Liker
  • 30. Fall Liker | 10/02/2020
Okay it's just dawned on me that it's not about dentists, Dr Lee, OR William Burroughs! Still some nice medic type who'll come round and X-ray you though. That'd be a specialist radiologist in a hospital or maybe a practice nurse in a GP's. Or a dentist. What an adventure that was!
Fall Liker
  • 31. Fall Liker | 10/02/2020
Okay, now my, erm, brain, is, ahem, "fired up"... how about an ever-pointful and productive round of Fall Lyrics Analysis? This is a great site for that btw.

So...

"Verdant is your superlative"

Does that mean that there is a superlative of someone, a somebody at their most themself, the most "them" they can be, and that it is verdant? Or is it meant with quotes, "Verdant" - is your superlative. Like if you were gonna say this person is somewhat green and leafy, in fact if you were going to go further you'd say they were "verdant"? You know? Like does the person have a superlative that is somehow verdant? Even though superlatives are words and words aren't usually green and leafy. Or is the person themselves not quite verdant but at least shrublike, but "verdant" would be the superlative form of their description?

I've just realised the word "verdant" isn't actually a superlative at all. That'd be "verdantest" or "most verdant". Oh dear.
Billy
  • 32. Billy (link) | 12/02/2020
To All,

It is I that sang "Billy, Ding, Kenny and Phil", not DIng.

Love me,
Billy
bzfgt
  • 33. bzfgt (link) | 07/03/2020
Dan 28:

The "Dr. Me" (Doctor Me?) part by Ding is not totally clear to me, but I think he says "I'm Dr. Me". But his voice kind of cuts in and out a little there it seems like. Still, there's definitely another syllable, I'm pretty sure that's it.

"In between Kenny's first "I will come to your house and do it for free" and Billy's "After you/you've left surgery" is a parenthetical "Doctor Me"."

Unless I'm mistaken about what you're talking about it's there already, just not in parentheses. I don't clearly hear parentheses.
bzfgt
  • 34. bzfgt (link) | 07/03/2020
I could swear one of the "three months" is "three weeks" oog
bzfgt
  • 35. bzfgt (link) | 07/03/2020
"them" vs "it" isn't totally clear to me, I'll change it for now but it's on probation
bzfgt
  • 36. bzfgt (link) | 07/03/2020
Who intones the coda? I was trying to work it out by place in the mix but everyone seems to move around a little
bzfgt
  • 37. bzfgt (link) | 14/03/2020
Sorry, I don't know how I missed comment 32 last week, fixed

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