W.M.C.--Blob 59

Lyrics

Right we'll go here
Where is he?
Just been to the park (1)
Not the pub, the park
Go on

We too do not recognise the M.U. 
We come with our hands open in fiendship
We can lead you to proletariat visions of posterity  (2)
W.M.C.!
The social alternative was incredibly frequent (3)

We come with our hands open in fiendship
We can lead you to proletariat visions of prosperity
We merely make cabaret
We are on Gramme Friday  (4)

Notes

1. The previous song on Grotesque is called "In the Park."

From the liner notes: "This is a very funny track. It's a pity you can't hear what's going on."

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2. Dan:

1983 - Month Unknown - Hide (?) Fanzine 'After IN THE PARK on GROTESQUE it sounds like you're in a living room
drinking and you're saying something in the back, 'it leads you to visions of
proletariat..'

M- 'hysteracy'. That's my sense of humour. It's like trying to get into a
working man's club in England which is very hard, you see you've got to be a
member. But you can always get a drink after 'time'. There's a scat on the
front, that we had a working men's club image. Being from the North of
England we're very unique in the fact that we're actually a working class
group. So, everyone answers to that, there's a lot of working class working
men's club outfits. On that thing I was trying to get into a working men's
group. It's this super poet trying to get this guy to let him into the club.
A sort of country & western song is behind it, too. I think that was one of
the most unpopular things I've ever done. People used to write and say I love
the old people on this track, is this a joke? What are you doing this sort of
thing for?'

He definitely does not, however, say "hysteracy" on the record.

 

^

3. W.M.C. is "Working Mens' Club," and "M.U." may be "Musicians' Union." W.M.C.'s originated in 19th century Britain; they were intended to both provide opportunities for recreation and social interaction, and also to foster education and cultural growth, among working men. Reportedly, the former functions are more commonly attended to, which may be what the last line of the stanza above is alluding to. Somewhere along the way someone (see below) has started singing what always sounds to me like a traditional spiritual in the background but may be an original song. Live renditions feature MES singing this part of the song. The lyrics to this part of the song, according to Joseph Mullaney's transcription: "The one to deny It was I/Since you became blob 59/I spent a lot of time wondering/ who and what the hell/What the crime."

And from Lee Thacker: "The Blob 59 lyrics are easier to hear on the 'Live in Glasgow' bootleg:

As to who started this in the first place,
I'm not the one to deny it was I.
Since you became blob 59 I spent a lot of time
Wondering who and what the hell was the crime."

However, I can't hear any of that on the track that appears here on Grotesque.

From "The Fall: album by album", in Uncut magazine, July 2019:
 


STEVE HANLEY: "WMC Blob 59" is Kay singing. Mark had written this supposedly really melodic song but it sounds like he recorded it in his shoe. He was off the wall like that.

From the Reformation! entry on "Lie Dream of a Casino Soul":

[From the version of the track found on the DVD release "Northern Cream" (details above). The review on the webzine issue of this website has this to say:

"About half of an early version of Lie Dream of a Casino Soul, in which the tune isn’t fully formed and we get the lyrics "to deny it was I...I spent a lot of time...wondering who or what the hell was the crime” (also uttered in Blob 59 / Prole Art Threat from 23 February 1981 in Glasgow); and then “all of Britain was a university town..." (prefiguring lyrics in CnC-S.Mithering) The track finishes with MES remarking, “That’s the experimental bit for tonight” (By the time Lie Dream makes its Peel session debut in late March, it has been considerably tweaked and sounds a very different beast.)"

From TamFrmGlsgw, "I'm fairly certain 'We come with our hands open in fiendship' is a reference to the Roman salute; that is the extended arm and open hand which symbolised friendship and peace. It is of course the same salute that was later adapted slightly for the Italian Fascist movement and subsequently Hitler's Nazi Party. I say this not least because 'hands open in fiendship' seems odd in lieu of the more expected 'arms open in friendship/fiendship,' and also because Smith has made reference to ancient Rome in other lyrics."

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4. A reference to speed, and to the next song, "Gramme Friday."

^

Comments (34)

dannyno
  • 1. dannyno | 17/09/2013
I hear "visions of posterity", not "prosperity"
Joseph Mullaney
  • 2. Joseph Mullaney | 15/06/2014
The song being sung in the background is `Blob 59'. The Fall played this live a few times, usually seguing into another song. There is a version here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaBttUCHYaY

I'm not sure if it's an original or possibly a parody of some other song. The vocals are certainly not in MES's usual style. It sounds to me like a woman singing it on the album version, perhaps Kay Carroll?
dannyno
  • 3. dannyno | 22/07/2014
There is that song "The Blob" by The Five Blobs, written by Bacharach and David for the 1958 film "The Blob". No immediate similarities suggest themselves though.
Joseph Mullaney
  • 4. Joseph Mullaney | 09/08/2014
It's too distorted to make out properly, but I'm not convinced that it's `not the pub, the park'. It certainly doesn't sound like `park'.

Pretty sure it is `posterity'.
Joseph Mullaney
  • 5. Joseph Mullaney | 09/02/2015
Lyrics to Blob 59:

The one to deny
It was I
Since you became blob 59
I spent a lot of time
Wondering who and what the hell
What the crime
TamFrmGlsgw
  • 6. TamFrmGlsgw | 03/05/2015
I'm fairly certain "We come with our hands open in friendship" is a reference to the Roman salute; that is the extended arm and open hand which symbolised friendship and peace. It is of course the same salute that was later adapted slightly for the Italian Fascist movement and subsequently Hitler's Nazi Party.
I say this not least because "hands open in friendship" seems odd in lieu of the more expected "arms open in friendship" and also because Smith has made reference to ancient Rome in other lyrics.
TamFrmGlsgw
  • 7. TamFrmGlsgw | 03/05/2015
Just realised it's fiendship not friendship, sorry!
If anything, however, this further validates my point considering the sinister Fascist connotations of the Roman salute.
bzfgt
  • 8. bzfgt | 26/06/2015
It's cool, I edited your comment to make it look like that's what you said the first time. Let me know if I've misrepresented you...
Lee Thacker
  • 9. Lee Thacker | 20/02/2018
The Blob 59 lyrics are easier to hear on the 'Live in Glasgow' bootleg:
'As to who started this in the first place,
I'm not the one to deny it was I.
Since you became blob 59 I spent a lot of time
Wondering who and what the hell was the crime.'
Still no idea what it's about though!
dannyno
  • 10. dannyno | 21/02/2018
The "what the hell was the crime" line also appeared in an early version of Lie Dream of a Casino Soul: https://sites.google.com/site/reformationposttpm/fall-tracks/lie-dream-of-a-casino-soul
bzfgt
  • 11. bzfgt (link) | 24/02/2018
I don't seem to have Glasgow so I'll take your word for those lyrics.
bzfgt
  • 12. bzfgt (link) | 24/02/2018
Martin, sorry if I'm being thick, but I can't figure out what "this website" refers to in the following, could you please clarify?

"The review on the webzine issue of this website has this to say"
dannyno
  • 13. dannyno | 17/11/2018
bzfgt, comment 12, referring to quotation in note 2 (see also entry for Lie Dream...

Reformation! changed their text. It now begins:


This ties in with the version of the track found on the DVD release "Northern Cream" (details above). From this review::

https://halfedge.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/northern-cream/


Then the quotation continues as before.
dannyno
  • 14. dannyno | 15/05/2019
From "The Fall: album by album", in Uncut magazine, July 2019:


STEVE HANLEY: WMC Blob 59" is Kay singing. Mark had written this supposedly really melodic song but it sounds like he recorded it in his shoe. He was off the wall like that.
SRH
  • 15. SRH | 29/09/2020
Always wondered if this has anything to do with Can's 'Smoke - EFS (Ethnological Forgery Series) No 59' - which appeared on their 1976 album Flow Motion and has a very repetitive drumbeat. And BLOB might be British Library of Broadcasting, in which case the track is a mock (forged) field recording?
dannyno
  • 16. dannyno | 04/10/2020
Comment #15: Why do you think it might be "British Library of Broadcasting"? "Blob" isn't written as an acronym, and there's no such institution, so I just wonder where you got that from?

"Blob" has lots of meanings, of course. One not noted very often is that it is a cricket slang synonym for a "duck" - i.e. a score of nothing, when a batsman fails to get any runs before being out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_cricket_terms

So I wonder if "Blob - 59" might be a cricket batsman's scorecard for two innings. Maybe it's something to do with a Working Men's Club's cricket team.

But there's not exactly masses of textual evidence for that either!
SRH
  • 17. SRH | 18/10/2020
It was just a guess. There is a Library of American Broadcasting (LAB). But I was looking at the back of my vinyl copy where all the song titles are in capital letters so I thought it might be an acronym. Having listened to the '81 Glasgow and Sheffield live versions on YouTube I realise now 'Blob 59' is a song within the track rather than the whole track. What "since you became blob 59" could mean is beyond me.
boo
  • 18. boo | 18/10/2020
The film The Blob really came out in 1958 not '59.
boo
  • 19. boo | 18/10/2020
And was shown on 8 Apr 1976 on Thames TV.
dannyno
  • 20. dannyno | 18/10/2020

Just been to the park
Not the pub, the park


Could be a reference there to The Park Hotel (http://pubs-of-manchester.blogspot.com/2014/06/park-hotel-lowther-road.html).
dannyno
  • 21. dannyno | 20/10/2020
Comment #19. There were also showings in some regions on 9 October 1976. Haven't found a Granada broadcast yet.
Don
  • 22. Don | 14/11/2020
1983 - Month Unknown - Hide (?) Fanzine 'After IN THE PARK on GROTESQUE it sounds like you're in a living room
drinking and you're saying something in the back, 'it leads you to visions of
proletariat..'

M- 'hysteracy'. That's my sense of humour. It's like trying to get into a
working man's club in England which is very hard, you see you've got to be a
member. But you can always get a drink after 'time'. There's a scat on the
front, that we had a working men's club image. Being from the North of
England we're very unique in the fact that we're actually a working class
group. So, everyone answers to that, there's a lot of working class working
men's club outfits. On that thing I was trying to get into a working men's
group. It's this super poet trying to get this guy to let him into the club.
A sort of country & western song is behind it, too. I think that was one of
the most unpopular things I've ever done. People used to write and say I love
the old people on this track, is this a joke? What are you doing this sort of
thing for?'
Bob
  • 23. Bob | 14/11/2020
To me he says 'Proletariat vision of posterity.'

Thus: 'But you can always get a drink after 'time'.'
Ian F
  • 25. Ian F | 17/12/2020
I imagine MES was no stranger to the work of Peter Cook and Dudley Moore. In the sketch 'Father and Son', there's the following exchange at 0:24. Son: "Father, I'm 28 years old. Surely I'm old enough to go where I like, with whom I like, at what time I like. I was out with friends." Father: "Friends? Friends? I call 'em fi-ends!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnHIeAjTWio
Ian F
  • 26. Ian F | 17/12/2020
Concerning the precise meaning of "M.U.", it seems to be a defining feature of the lyrics on this album that they can be deliberately ambiguous. The NWRA could mean either The North Will Rise again or The North West Republican Army. Therefore it wouldn't surprise me if the M.U. might mean both the Musicians' Union and Manchester United, MES being an established fan of their cross-city rivals, Manchester City.
bzfgt
  • 27. bzfgt (link) | 16/01/2021
Huh, definitely "posterity", or "prosterity"

What does "scat on the front" mean?
bzfgt
  • 28. bzfgt (link) | 16/01/2021
Dan said "posterity" in comment #1, he wants us to know!
Ian F
  • 29. Ian F | 31/01/2021
Re Note 25, in English Scheme on this same album, there is a reference to "Peter Cook's jokes".
SWATE
  • 30. SWATE | 12/03/2021
'scat on the front' should probably be 'skit on the fact.'

I imagine the whole thing is poorly transcribed.
dannyno
  • 31. dannyno | 31/12/2022
Extract from C 'n' C Hassle Schmuck (Peel Session), as documented here on Annotated Fall:


Three months
Three years
Three months
Three years
More lectures
Yes it's them again
You've heard blob 59
We're gonna move on 3 years
Music centre irritant
Get yer suits off
Get yer jeans on (a)
I can see, I have dreams
I was by the fireplace at home
The date was two oh one oh
All England was a university town
All you could get was wine


Note that couple of lines:


You've heard blob 59
We're gonna move on 3 years
Paul G
  • 32. Paul G | 06/01/2023
An alternative theory on blob 59...

Is the blob an apostrophe as in '59 (short for 1959)?
Garry T
  • 33. Garry T | 19/01/2023
From the mouths of the Hanley brothers. Blob 59 was a drink in Yate's Wine Lodge. Confirmed online that Blob was sold in Yate's Wine Lodge and was made from Sweet White Wine, Sugar, Lemon and hot water. Mystery solved.
dannyno
  • 34. dannyno | 23/01/2023
No, that's not quite right. Mystery emphatically not solved.

It's true that Blob was a drink available in Yates' Wine Lodges. That's what the Hanleys remembered during my appearance on Oh! Brother.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fk1KuXuWYAAifA0?format=png&name=small

But they did not say, and did not know, and were just speculating, that "Blob 59" was a name of a drink, or that perhaps Yates' numbered their drinks. And that particular fact remains unconfirmed.

See post-Oh! Brother discussion on the FOF: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/thefall/oh-brother-fall-podcast-from-the-hanleys-t43923-s713.html

Now, if we can find something along those lines, that would be good.

But would it help us with the lyric? Not really. Because on Grotesque the lyric doesn't mentin "Blob 59", it's just in the title.

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