Psykick Dancehall

Lyrics

(1)

Is there anybody there?
Yeah!

Rock Rock Rock Rock Rock

Rocky! Rocky!
Is quester psykick dance-hall  (2)
Get aboard 
For ESP medium discord

My garden is made of stone
There's a computer centre over the road (3)
I saw a monster on the roof
Its colors glowed on the roof

Round the corner
Is quester psykick dancehall
Step forward     (4)
For ESP medium discord

Here they have no records
They know your questions about no words
Just bumble stumble to the waves
Twitching out to the waves

Clock it! Rock it!
It's quester psykick dance-hall
Never bored with
ESP medium discord

When I'm dead and gone
My vibrations will live on
In vibes not vinyl through the years
People will dance to my waves

Rock it! Clock it!
It's quester psykick dance-hall
Step aboard for
ESP medium discord

You gotta come
For a mental orgasm

 

Notes

1. From Reformation:  "In Simon Ford's book 'The Fall,' Kay Carroll explained the origin of the song's title: her mother opened a psychic centre 'on the corner of Gardner Road and Bury New Road in Prestwich. It was over a row of shops that consisted of a bakery, hairdresser's and a shoe shop...It had originally been a dance studio, you know tap, ballroom dancing, things of that nature.'" 

From a 1981 interview:

 JNM: Something I've noticed about the Fall is that there seems to be reoccuring theme of...an interest in mysticicsm, or the supernatural...for instance, i'm thinking of "Psykick Dancehall"...

MES: You mean, sort of dark...like "Spectre vs. Rector" and that?

JNM: "Psykick Dancehall" doesn't seem dark to me, it's almost...happy...about the idea of your vibrations living on...oh God, I don't want to sound like an old hippe here, but the whole notion of a life after death where your energy can be perceived as music...I liked that.

MES: Yeah, that's what the song was saying, really. That was written at a time when we were in a really bad state, financially and everything. So I wrote this song about this dancehall, which does sort of exist in Prestwich...or doesn't anymore...they were going to have a disco with no music. Just old psychics, you know, like 50-year-old women.

JNM: Just sort of, like, projecting, huh?

MES: I mean, it was also saying that, it doesn't matter if the Fall are never going to be very big in London and don't think that I feel a bit of a failure because...my soul and personality will outlive anything I ever did on a record, I know that. It'll change more things. Me meeting you, hopefully, will have as much effect on you as the records. I've always had in me this very sort of Puritan northern Englishman in me that finds records sort of...childish. I mean when people go "why don't you produce this" or "when is this album coming out" and I just think, "I don't fuckin' know!" We do in-store appearances in America, and I get really embarrassed! (Laughs)

JNM: (Back to the "psykick" question) So do you believe in these sort of...occult ideas? Things you can't see that are following you around, that are responsible for things you can't explain?

MES: Yeah, I believe in all those things...I don't think about them much. I'm not an "enthusiast" for that sort of thing. I went through aphase in my teens where I read all the books on the occult. The only reason I was into it is that it's fascinating, really. But you can't really go around talking about it, or people will just come out with facts, books and lists..."oh yeah, Crowley, blah blah blah..." all these boring farts, you know. I believe that things leave vibrations, you know. America's good for that, you go to all the Civil war places where they had the battles...the atmosphere is incredible. You can really reach out and feel it.

JNM: It's just something that's there.

MES: Like cats, you know cats are always looking at things you can't see at all. When we started the Fall in Manchester, Martin Bramah, who's now in the Blue Orchids and all that, he was very heavily into it and I used to avoid it...he used to do Tarot readings and all that...which I still do. But once you get a hold of heavy drugs and start getting into all that stuff it gets really insane. It just gets silly. I'm more interested in stuff like where Philip K. Dick is going. 'Cause it's real, you know? About time and stuff like that, the way writings can prophesize things. Like I've found a lot of my writing is actual prophecy. It's really strange. 

(via Reformation)  

And Dan dug up the following, from 2003:

"That was based on this Christian Psychic club that I used to go to for a laugh. These psychic women would stop me coming out of the dole and go, 'You've got it, come to our meeting.' Fascinating stuff. It was like Alcoholics Anonymous for psychics. But it's best forgetting about. They're never rich, those people. Show 'em a racing paper and they know which horse is gonna fall over at the hurdle but they don't know which horse is gonna win it. What's the use in that?"

Later in the interview, we learn that Fiery Jack used to go to the same meetings...

Also from Dan:

From "Is This the Rise and Rise..." by Chris Westwood, Record Mirror, 22 March 1980, p.34:
 


... the flat where I used to live was next to the mental hospital where Kay worked - she used to come round the corner from there they had a psychic centre, where all the people used to go. They had discos; it really was a Psychic Dancehall. When I met Kay, that's how the idea for that song came about, 'cause Kay's mother had actually founded this place round the corner. If you look at it one way, the psychics won't even need the records...

Martin Brahmah, on the other hand, tells us it was he who went to the club, and MES never went there (via Dan):

"Psychic Dancehall" was a story I told Mark about a club I used to go to - a little disco - above a spiritualist church in Prestwich, called Questers Psychic Disco. It was a rough little dive, a pre-18 place, because there was no alcohol. It got raided by the police one night. I didn't know Mark at that point, and Mark never went, but later I told him about this place, and the "outside" of Prestwich became a strong theme in his writing.

 

Bramah says the place was at 2 Clifton Road in Prestwich. There was indeed a Manchester Psychic Centre at that address. Further bolstering its case, Dan has found an add for the under-18 night, which is called "The Questors":

 

Dan sums up:

Reading all the accounts of the genesis/inspiration of this song together reveals some further contradictions.

Bramah says he went to a Spiritualist disco called "Questers", but that MES did not.

Kay Carroll talks about a psychic centre, which she locates precisely, in a room which was originally a dance studio.

In 1981, MES talks about a putative "disco with no music" in a psychic dancehall which used to exist.

In 2003, MES talks about a psychic club which he went to "for a laugh" (and that "Fiery Jack" also used to go). This does not sound at all like the same place as Bramah's spiritualist disco.

I haven't got a quote to hand where MES explicitly says he went to something that sounds like Bramah's disco. So either there is more than one source for the song, which is plausible, or MES is covering his tracks (less likely, because of Carroll's very precise recollection).

^

2. See note 1 above for "quester/Questors."

^

 

3. From "Garden" by the Groundhogs: "My garden is overgrown/And the weeds are creeping up on my home." The Fall have covered "Junkman" (which they renamed "Junk Man") and "Strange Town" (renamed, yep, "Strangetown").

Joseph Holt: "In the early 80s, as home computers (ZX Spectrum, etc.) took off, there was a small computer shop in the center of Sedgely Park, corner of Bury New Road and Kings Road, either in the space that is now Sedgely Park post office, or right next door. My dad bought me my first computer from there, an Oric, in about 1983."

Dan: "At the time this song was written or conceived, I believe I'm right in remembering that MES was living at the Kingswood Road flat. I've discovered, while looking for something else, that also at Kingswood Road was the Prestwich Hospital Regional Computer Centre/Computer Unit (going under different names at different times, it seems).

So I don't think it was a computer shop, I think it literally was this Computer Centre."

^

4. The Fall's record label at this time was Step Forward, sometimes also known as Step-Forward.

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Comments (38)

dannyno
  • 1. dannyno | 28/09/2014
From Uncut magazine, October 2003:

"That was based on this Christian Psychic club that I used to go to for a laugh. These psychic women would stop me coming out of the dole and go, 'You've got it, come to our meeting.' Fascinating stuff. It was like Alcoholics Anonymous for psychics. But it's best forgetting about. They're never rich, those people. Show 'em a racing paper and they know which horse is gonna fall over at the hurdle but they don't know which horse is gonna win it. What's the use in that?"

http://thefall.org/news/pics/03oct-uncut.html
Martin
  • 2. Martin | 06/04/2016
According to pre-song comments made by Mark E Smith before the gig at the Marquee, London; 29 July 1979, Psykick Dancehall is "about, uh, the sort of people [that] don't need records. This song's supposed to be about that."
PJ
  • 3. PJ | 28/01/2018
Hi - shouldn't it be .. my vibrations will live on thru 'vibes not vinyl'

'not vinyl' is also stated in MES's orange lyrics book - and implied in the MES quote above re ... my soul and personality will outlive anything I ever did on a record.. and the other later quote abot people not needing records..

(Btw the Annotated Fall version is also on unofficial fall website front page )..I think it sounds better - especially in current circumstances!?
dannyno
  • 4. dannyno | 29/01/2018
Comment #3: I think the lyric contrasts immortality on vinyl with the record-less ESP disco. Hence "on" not "not". I don't hear it clearly as "not".
Wraithlet
  • 5. Wraithlet | 31/01/2018
Does anyone know what the sample is right at the end of the song? I've listened but can't make it out.
dannyno
  • 6. dannyno | 02/02/2018
Comment #4. But see this Dragnet advert, which has lyrics:

http://dannyno.org.uk/fall/psykicklyric.jpg
dannyno
  • 7. dannyno | 09/02/2018
Grant Showbiz also thinks the line is "in vibes not vinyl"

https://twitter.com/zombat/status/956870963618025474
bzfgt
  • 8. bzfgt (link) | 11/02/2018
It makes the lyric a little better too, "vibes not vinyl" affirms the whole "psykick" trip rather than a corny approximation thereof.
bzfgt
  • 9. bzfgt (link) | 11/02/2018
I can't believe we never had a note for "Step Forward"
bzfgt
  • 10. bzfgt (link) | 12/02/2018
I do not know, Wraithlet.
Dabadaba
  • 11. Dabadaba | 13/02/2018
It sounds like he sings 'Clock it! Rock it!' first time and then later flips them over to 'Rock it! Clock it!'.
bzfgt
  • 12. bzfgt (link) | 17/02/2018
Yeah, that might be right, I'm listening now. It may be too close to call (although of course it's unfortunate that the mere fact that we have something gives it a leg up...).
bzfgt
  • 13. bzfgt (link) | 17/02/2018
I can't hear "clock it" or "rock it." You're on this and not Part II, right?
bzfgt
  • 14. bzfgt (link) | 17/02/2018
OK I hear ROck it, Clock it on the one on Early Fall. Is that Part II? It's not marked as such but it has the Part II lyrics and production. so I guess it is. Now I have to go back to Dragnet, it comes later in the song than I thought you meant.
bzfgt
  • 15. bzfgt (link) | 17/02/2018
Yes, you got it on the money, Dabadaba.
dannyno
  • 16. dannyno | 25/02/2018
Typo, you've got a "Rlock"....
Joseph Holt
  • 17. Joseph Holt | 03/03/2018
Re: ‘computer centre over the road’ In the early 80s as home computers ZX Spectrum etc took off, there was a small computer shop in the center of Sedgely Park, corner of Bury New Road and Kings Road. Either in the space that is now Sedgely Park post office, or right next door. My dad bought me my first computer from there, an Oric, in about 1983.
dannyno
  • 18. dannyno | 29/08/2018
Martin Bramah wrote an account of the circumstances around him leaving The Fall, in which he says;

"Psychic Dancehall" was a story I told Mark about a club I used to go to - a little disco - above a spiritualist church in Prestwich, called Questers Psychic Disco. It was a rough little dive, a pre-18 place, because there was no alcohol. It got raided by the police one night. I didn't know Mark at that point, and Mark never went, but later I told him about this place, and the "outside" of Prestwich became a strong theme in his writing.
dannyno
  • 19. dannyno | 29/08/2018
dannyno
  • 20. dannyno | 29/08/2018
Might have been this place, on Victoria Lane, Whitefield, empty since September 2011 (according to an article from December 2011 about arson in the building: Link to archive of article

http://www.churches-uk-ireland.org/images/manc/whitefield/spir.jpg

See also: https://www.eigpropertyauctions.co.uk/files/758/20139/a5934433-9621-432f-9203-38a680f0473b.pdf

Whitefield though, so technically north of Prestwich. But they often go together, like "WhitefieldandPrestwich". Possibly.
dannyno
  • 21. dannyno | 01/09/2018
Reading all the accounts of the genesis/inspiration of this song together reveals some further contradictions.

Bramah says he went to a Spiritualist disco called "Questers", but that MES did not.

Kay Carroll talks about a psychic centre, which she locates precisely, in a room which was originally a dance studio.

In 1981, MES talks about a putative "disco with no music" in a psychic dancehall which used to exist.

In 2003, MES talks about a psychic club which he went to "for a laugh" (and that "Fiery Jack" also used to go). This does not sound at all like the same place as Bramah's spiritualist disco.

I haven't got a quote to hand where MES explicitly says he went to something that sounds like Bramah's disco. So either there is more than one source for the song, which is plausible, or MES is covering his tracks (less likely, because of Carroll's very precise recollection).
bzfgt
  • 22. bzfgt (link) | 13/10/2018
Yeah I mean it could be the case that all of these are true, and maybe some of it postdates the song but all blends together in the minds of the principals in retrospect...who knows
dannyno
  • 23. dannyno | 20/04/2019
From "Is This the Rise and Rise..." by Chris Westwood, Record Mirror, 22 March 1980, p.34:


... the flat where I used to live was next to the mental hospital where Kay worked - she used to come round the corner from there they had a psychic centre, where all the people used to go. They had discos; it really was a Psychic Dancehall. When I met Kay, that's how the idea for that song came about, 'cause Kay's mother had actually founded this place round the corner. If you look at it one way, the psychics won't even need the records...
dannyno
  • 24. dannyno | 01/09/2019
"There's a computer center over the road" and note #2.

First of all, it ought to be spelled "centre".

Secondly, at the time this song was written or conceived, I believe I'm right in remembering that MES was living at the Kingswood Road flat.

I've discovered, while looking for something else, that also at Kingswood Road was the Prestwich Hospital Regional Computer Centre/Computer Unit (going under different names at different times, it seems).

So I don't think it was a computer shop, I think it literally was this Computer Centre.
bzfgt
  • 25. bzfgt (link) | 07/09/2019
Yeah it took me a few years to realize that Americanizing spellings makes no sense whatever in this context! Good enough with the Centoure.
dannyno
  • 26. dannyno | 07/12/2020
Follow up on comment #24.

The location of the computer centre:

http://dannyno.org.uk/pics/computercentre.jpg

MES lived at 15a Kingswood Road.

If you look at this google street view image from 2014, 15 Kingswood Road is directly behind you. (the Computer Centre was renamed Professional Datacare in 1990/91, privatised in 1995 and sold to the US based Shared Medical Systems, bought by Torex in 1999 and acquired by iSoft some time after that.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.5340155,-2.2877098,3a,75y,321.46h,88.57t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sOtYlcBSQPbYT5ra7xVn40Q!2e0!5s20140801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
dannyno
  • 27. dannyno | 07/12/2020
The source of the computer centre map in comment #26 was this newsletter: http://www.networking-consultancy.com/index_files/Datacare/Datanews%20199105.pdf
dannyno
  • 28. dannyno | 19/12/2020
Another image of the site from a property website prior to demolition (https://www.novaloca.com/industrial-unit/for-sale/manchester/kingswood-road/69934)

https://0a2f99e1222b3953ac58-e80a30755738c4b2c0e4ad59cfc2532a.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com/xl_48_JLLATC31384_634898501670115000.jpg
dannyno
  • 29. dannyno | 04/05/2021

Round the corner
Is quester psykick dancehall


From the Prestwich and Whitefield Guide, 24 March 1972.

http://dannyno.org.uk/fall/pics/pwg.jpg

http://dannyno.org.uk/fall/pics/maonalodge.jpg

So there you go. It's "Questors".

Bramah has confirmed on Twitter that this was the one he went to, and note that 2 Clifton Road is just a couple of doors up - same block of buildings - from the chip shop with the MES mural.
dannyno
  • 30. dannyno | 08/05/2021
Prestwich & Whitefield Guide, 24 March 1972 (front page advert):

http://dannyno.org.uk/fall/pics/maonalodge.jpg
dannyno
  • 31. dannyno | 12/05/2021
"maona" is an Arabic word (معونة) that translates as "aid" or "help".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maona is about an historical investors society, which wouldn't have been the intended reference. But it translates the word in terms of "mutual help" and "helping each other".

So I think the sense intended is "mutual aid", kind of thing, which would seem to fit.
dannyno
  • 32. dannyno | 12/05/2021
Don't know what happened to my original post, probably in moderation, but "2 Clifton Road" is the same block of buildings as the chip shop on whose gable end is the MES mural.
dannyno
  • 33. dannyno | 12/05/2021
i.e. exactly as Bramah (and Kay) had said.
dannyno
  • 34. dannyno | 03/06/2021
"ESP medium discord"

Given that this is a dancehall, and the song concerns a putative record-less psychic disco, riffing imaginatively of course on the real spiritualist youth club, what is the significance of the word "discord" here? That doesn't, the tastes and aesthetics of The Fall and Fall-fans notwithstanding, suggest a pleasant musical experience. It suggests the opposite. Or conflict, disagreement etc. The song does contain the rather incongruous appearance of the monster on the room of the computer centre, but the monster plays no particular part in the narrative - it doesn't, for example, attack the psychic dancehall. But perhaps "discord" implies a story along those lines? The narrator does refer to being dead and gone - are we to take this less as a classic expression of spiritualist belief, and more as an impending fate?
dannyno
  • 35. dannyno | 15/02/2023
Safe as Milk fanzine #3 (1979) points out that the opening guitar riff is "ripped off from Last Train to Clarkesville", by The Monkees.

It's altered somewhat, but this does seem to be right.
dannyno
  • 36. dannyno | 15/02/2023
Just to note that the actual title of The Monkees' song is Last Train to Clarksville. The fanzine misspells it with an "e".
dannyno
  • 37. dannyno | 21/03/2023
An early draft of the lyrics to this song turned up in the Omega Auctions memorabilia sale (due to take place 25 April 2023).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrxUsOaXsAA38RX?format=jpg&name=large

The lines about "my sidekick" (i.e. Martin Bramah) were referred to a couple of years ago in a tweet by Bramah:

https://twitter.com/MartinBramah/status/1389862705230749698?s=20


I even got a name check in the original 'Questors Psychic Disco' as it was first called "Martin Bramah, my sidekick's disco" - cheeky bugger
For the Record
  • 38. For the Record | 27/10/2023
There's a bit of what sounds like a radio or TV broadcast right at the end 3.37 which is something like, "drug barbiturate, which introduced two teenagers to the drug habit"

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