Nine Out Of Ten

Lyrics

The company supplied
The company supplied
Nine of out ten, they gave me (1)
Nine out of ten
Nine out of ten, they gave me
nine out of ten

And, come and and listen to my story
From when I started

I was in an orphan home since I was one
I was an orphan baby, all along
And when I was they gave me one out of
One out of ten

Then I was older
I was older
Made a home when I started
Nobody cared
If I was, a-baby, dead or alive

Nine out of ten
The company supplied, they said
Too dark baby
Try and understand,
You don't break rules you don't follow them (2)
Sub-lingual
Five out of ten
Nine out of ten
They gave me nine out of ten   (3)
 

Notes

1. According to John Robb's review on the Louder Than War website:

"The final track ‘Nine Out Of Ten’ is an acidic dark humoured snark attack on yours truly for giving Fall mate Ed Blaney’s recent very good album [which features MES on several tracks--TAF] a good review on this site and is all the better for its pointed assault on your author and probably loads of other targets in classic free form Fall style. It made me chuckle so much that I decided that [I would give] the 32nd Fall album the same score – otherwise it would have been a ten."

Corroborating this interpretation, Pro Rae on the Fall online forum points out that at the Fall gig from 2017-01-27 in Southampton, MES "clearly says, shortly after the 2:00 mark, 'and I got a review from John Robb.'"

 

The comment about Robb may have been improvised; since Robb knows about it, it's possible he was there. If this is the case, MES may have seen him and thoiught of the happy coincidence of the lyric and the score given Blaney's album. Really, who knows? But it's not clear that the song has anything to do with John Robb.

Since MES's recent illness and death, some have suggested the numbers in the song refer to survival odds.

According to Elliot R: "I just found a cigarette packet; the NHS warning on the front says 'Smoking causes 9 out of 10 lung cancers.' Probably a coincidence but I wanted to share it on here."

This may indeed be a coincidence, or it may be significant. MES died of lung and kidney cancer on January 24th, 2018. It's possible that the song is a meditation on his impending death, but at the same time I don't want to assume too much and start seeing things that aren't there. Do what you will with these clues, if that is what they are.

Caetano Veloso has a song called "Nine Out of Ten" (thanks to " " [sic] Tim Goldie).

John Howard points out a musical similarity between this and "Herpes Simplex" by Lizzy Mercier Descloux...coincidental or not, it is a plausible connection.

Dan reports that the band tweeted that this was the last thing recorded with MES.

^

 

2. The meaning of this line would change depending on how it is transcribed; for instance, "You don't follow rules, you don't! Follow them," but the above seems most likely. For more, see the discussion of this line on the Fall online forum.

At the NME awards in 2018, Brix gave a speech in a kind of tribute to MES. She said, among other things, "It is said you are remembered for the rules you break. But for Mark E. Smith, there were no rules." See also "Before the Moon Falls": "I must create a new regime/Or live by another man's," which paraphrases Blake's "I must Create a System or be enslav'd by another Man's. I will not Reason & Compare; my business is to Create."

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3. The song ends with a lengthy repeated guitar coda. From David Cavanagh's feature about MES from the April 2018 issue of Uncut (pp.50-56, quote from p.56):

"He was animated as he sang his final vocal for the album ('Nine Out Of Ten'), with guitarist Greenway seated beside him. The song came to a natural end. Greenway stopped playing. 'No,' Smith said. 'Play it again.' He got up and walked slowly around the studio, tapping bits of percussion, while Greenway strummed the chords for three, four, then five minutes.

And that's exactly how we hear it on the record. The track ends. The guitar resumes. But Mark E Smith is now silent."

From "The Fall: album by album", in Uncut magazine, July 2019:
 


PETE GREENWAY: We didn't know at the time that it would be the last album and I'm sure Mark didn't. People have drawn conclusions from the last track, "Nine Out Of Ten", and how it ends [without vocals for the second half]. I'd met Mark for a beer and we ended up at the studio. I was too drunk to play and Mark just spouted lyrics about his life, spontaneously. I was surprised it ended up on the album.

 

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Comments (47)

bzfgt
  • 1. bzfgt (link) | 24/08/2017
How do you link to specific posts on the FOF? I suppose I should have asked this 5 years ago...sometimes I try to guess the little number at the end but I always miss by quite a bit, I have no idea how you guys do that...
dannyno
  • 2. dannyno | 24/08/2017
Click on where it says "Posted", and copy the link.
dannyno
  • 3. dannyno | 28/08/2017
If this is supposed to be an attack on John Robb, where exactly is the negative comment to be located in the text?

No, I don't think this is so straightforward as that.
dannyno
  • 4. dannyno | 28/08/2017
John Robb's review of Blaney's album "Urban Nature" was published on 26 May 2016 (http://louderthanwar.com/ed-blaney-urban-nature-album-review-salford-grit-and-wonk-pop-from-fall-acolyte/).

Nine Out Of Ten's live debut was at the gig at Fibbers, York, on 19 November 2016.

https://sites.google.com/site/reformationposttpm/fall-tracks/9-10 records Chris Goodhead's transcription of the lyrics from the York performance:


I was a baby, baby
I was an author, baby
When I was born

And come and listen to my story
I've been told
I was an author, baby
When I was one
And when they talked to me
The said to me
Four out of ten they give me
Four out of ten

Then I was vegetable
?
They said, "Look boy
You're not rebellious
You don't believe in that
We're going to have to lose it."
Seven out of ten they gave me
Seven out of ten

You see the word
You see the blue waves of Truro
In Cornwall
You've seen the buildings of Cornwall
In Truro
AlI see is blue bottles

Five out of ten they give me
Five out of ten
Five out of ten they give me
Five out of ten
dannyno
  • 5. dannyno | 28/08/2017
Footage of York debut: https://youtu.be/ODHQajbPQls

Here's a scrap of lyrics from the Arts Club Theatre, Liverpool gig of 21 January 2017:

http://dannyno.org.uk/fall/9-10-liverpool.jpg

The "'and I got a review from John Robb" line appeared at the Engine Rooms, Southampton gig, 27 January 2017 https://youtu.be/ycPReNoX6aU

Note that MES laughs as he says it, which maybe might imply it's an improvised line?

Note we don't just have "nine out ten" in these lyrics - but "four out of ten", "seven out of ten", and "nought out of ten" as well.

Note that the lines about bluebottles and Cornwall do not appear on record.
dannyno
  • 6. dannyno | 28/08/2017
I had a different glimmer of meaning come to me earlier. The lines about orphans and so on, suggested to me the Nazi kidnapping of Polish children https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi_Germany. The campaign extended widely, but began with children in orphanages. And one of the things they did was to classify the children according to measures of Nordic racial characteristics. Trouble is, there weren't 10 measures.

But there's some echoes of something along those lines, isn't there? What do you mean, "no"?
bzfgt
  • 7. bzfgt (link) | 28/09/2017
Wow! I didn't know you could click "Posted," the cursor (whatever it is) doesn't even turn into a hand. This is revolutionary!
bzfgt
  • 8. bzfgt (link) | 28/09/2017
"If this is supposed to be an attack on John Robb, where exactly is the negative comment to be located in the text?

No, I don't think this is so straightforward as that."

Of course not. If it is an attack on Robb--a big "if"--it is not only, or even primarily, that.

I know this isn't your style, but a lot of people seem to think that when you find out "This song does X," you've identified what the song is "about" and all else becomes irrelevant. If Fall lyrics are anything, they are almost always--without really thinking a lot about of it, I'm tempted to say always--the antithesis of that. And then a lot of the same people accuse us of foreclosing interpretations!

The most ridiculous extreme of this was that absurd discussion about how "Two Steps Back" can't allude to masturbation because it's about Martin Bramah...has there ever been a greater non sequitur?
bzfgt
  • 9. bzfgt (link) | 28/09/2017
But I added some caveatage to ease your mind, anyway. As for the Nazis, that will have to percolate down here and in our minds for a while, until we get a little more meat on the bone or until it withers but either way it is immortalized down here.
fall fan 50002
  • 10. fall fan 50002 | 29/01/2018
Apologies if this has already been covered, but on first hearing I assumed the “9/10 they gave me” referred to survival odds (circa late 2016, I guess). It wouldn’t be the first time he has brought material from the doctors office into songs. In my mind this fits with the “one out of ten” and “nobody cared...dead or alive” lines.

(Not to suggest that 9/10 shouldn’t also be read as an album/career/life rating)
dannyno
  • 11. dannyno | 29/01/2018
The lyric switches between 9/10, 5/10 etc. But yes, comment #10, I think medical connotations are probably inescapable in view of the sad news of a few days ago, even if they are not correct.
dannyno
  • 12. dannyno | 08/02/2018
Error in note 1:

Pro Rae on the Fall online forum points out that at the Fall gig from 9/10/2016 in Southampton, MES "clearly says, shortly after the 2:00 mark, 'and I got a review from John Robb.'"


There was no Southampton gig in 2016 - it was the following year. I think you've mistaken Pro Rae's "9/10 Southampton" for a date, when it's obviously a reference to the song title!
bzfgt
  • 13. bzfgt (link) | 12/02/2018
Oh, yeah.
bzfgt
  • 14. bzfgt (link) | 14/02/2018
Note for later:

He was animated as he sang his final vocal for the album ("Nine Out Of Ten"), with guitarist Greenway seated beside him. The song came to a natural end. Greenway stopped playing. "No," Smith said. "Play it again." He got up and walked slowly around the studio, tapping bits of percussion, while Greenway strummed the chords for three, four, then five minutes.

And that's exact how we hear it on the record. The track ends. The guitar resumes. But Mark E Smith is now silent.
bzfgt
  • 15. bzfgt (link) | 17/02/2018
Is that the right magazine, Q? I couldn't turn it up Googling and can't recall where it is on the FOF.
dannyno
  • 16. dannyno | 17/02/2018
This is the FOF thread:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/thefall/nine-out-of-ten-interpretations-notes-and-queries-t42842.html

It's not from Q. It's from Uncut.

Here's my post there:

"David Cavanagh's feature about MES from the April 2018 issue of Uncut (pp.50-56), quote from p.56:

He was animated as he sang his final vocal for the album ("Nine Out Of Ten"), with guitarist Greenway seated beside him. The song came to a natural end. Greenway stopped playing. "No," Smith said. "Play it again." He got up and walked slowly around the studio, tapping bits of percussion, while Greenway strummed the chords for three, four, then five minutes.

And that's exactly how we hear it on the record. The track ends. The guitar resumes. But Mark E Smith is now silent.


p.s. there was a typo in that last line - should be "exactly" not "exact".
Elliot R
  • 17. Elliot R | 18/02/2018
I just found a cigarette packet; the NHS warning on the front says "Smoking causes 9 out of 10 lung cancers". Probably a coincidence but I wanted to share it on here.
bzfgt
  • 18. bzfgt (link) | 19/02/2018
Wow, seeing as he had lung cancer and some are seeing this as a rumination on his impending death, that could be significant.
Elliot R
  • 19. Elliot R | 19/02/2018
Yeh, I was quite struck when I saw it. I can't say how long they've used that exact wording for, they do change the warning messages.
bzfgt
  • 20. bzfgt (link) | 24/02/2018
Yeah, I think that warrants a note. I'm a little uneasy about how to do it--I don't want to start assuming too much "farewell statement"-type stuff, and projecting things. But that is noteworthy.
bzfgt
  • 21. bzfgt (link) | 24/02/2018
I think I'm just going to quote you and let the chips fall where they may.
therealgaryhill
  • 22. therealgaryhill | 24/02/2018
https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_f2934871932431c6b64b.jpg
bzfgt
  • 23. bzfgt (link) | 24/02/2018
Wow, with how well I can see that on my computer, I could almost imagine that is MES in the picture....
nutterwain
  • 24. nutterwain | 21/03/2018
Perhaps it's a review of his entire musical output? 9/10 THEY gave me, i.e. music press. Symbolic that it's the last track
Ex worker man
  • 25. Ex worker man | 01/04/2018
Apologies if this gets too personal. I was given a diagnosis of something horrible two weeks before NFE was released. I listened to the album as always with a new Fall LP on the day of release with a couple of beers. I took it personally, "horrible new facts emerge" indeed.
This last track with its long guitar coda had an air of finality which scared the wotsits out of me. Again I took it personally, not because I thought it would be the last Fall LP but because I thought it could be my last fall LP.
I'm fortunate, after a period of treatment I've got 9 out of 10 chance of being ok.
I think MES here has been given 9 out of 10 prospect of dying (soon) from his illness and tackles it with humour through mock self-pity (I was an orphan etc.). The guitar loop is terribly final and is the survivor; there can always be a new guitarist in the Fall but never another singer ("do you think they'll replace him?" said my mother on the phone).
Press play again at the end and segue back into the album. The voice returns, alone, defiant. His vibrations will live on.
bzfgt
  • 26. bzfgt (link) | 07/04/2018
Yeah, no shit. Glad it worked out better for you, though.
Doc
  • 27. Doc | 25/04/2019
said you're not wild
four out of ten they gave me four out of ten
you see the waves crashing on Bournemouth
you see the blue skies of Truro
i see a bluebird crossing the window
seven out of ten they gave me
nine out of ten they gave me
then they discovered me, they said you're ungodly
one out of ten they gave me
come listen to my story, of bono

...Wait till you hear the record if you think that's nonsense
dannyno
  • 28. dannyno | 15/05/2019
From "The Fall: album by album", in Uncut magazine, July 2019:


PETE GREENWAY: We didn't know at the time that it would be the last album and I'm sure Mark didn't. People have drawn conclusions from the last track, "Nine Out Of Ten", and how it ends [without vocals for the second half]. I'd met Mark for a beer and we ended up at the studio. I was too drunk to play and Mark just spouted lyrics about his life, spontaneously. I was surprised it ended up on the album.
Paul Go
  • 29. Paul Go | 27/05/2019
Something to do with testimony, imperfection, group think, digital garble, and of course legacy.
dannyno
  • 30. dannyno | 04/07/2019
Note #1 contains an error:


the Fall gig from 1/27/2016


The gig was in 2017, see comments 4 and 5 for all the dates.
bzfgt
  • 31. bzfgt (link) | 12/07/2019
I changed the format for dates to xxxx-xx-xx, the other way is potentially too confusing with Americans and Brits using a different month place...
dannyno
  • 32. dannyno | 12/07/2019
I don't know that's less confusing. Probably best to write them out in full.
bzfgt
  • 33. bzfgt (link) | 09/08/2019
Shit wait--what is "1989-12-11" to you? November or December?
  • 34. " "[sic]™ Tim Goldie | 28/02/2020
Just found this -

Caetano Veloso (Transa) - (02) Nine Out of Ten - I'm Alive

Enjoying playing it back to back with The Fall's one (which I'm coming up with an angle on but ain't ready to write that here yet yeti)
  • 35. " "[sic]™ VomiTimoV Sarcofaguzi | 29/02/2020
I walk down Portobello road to the sound of reggae
I'm alive
The age of gold, yes the age of old
The age of gold
The age of music is past
I hear them talk as I walk yes I hear them talk
I hear they say
"Expect the final blast"
I walk down Portobello road to the sound of reggae
I'm alive
I'm alive, vivo muito vivo feel the sound of music
Banging in my belly
Know that one day I must die
I'm alive
And I know that one day I must die
I'm alive
Yes I know that one day I must die
I'm alive vivo muito vivo
In the eletric cinema or on the telly
Nine out of ten movie stars make me cry
I'm alive
And nine out of ten movie stars make me cry
I'm alive
dannyno
  • 36. dannyno | 07/03/2020
Comment #33.

"1989-12-11" would be 11th December 1989 to me.
bzfgt
  • 37. bzfgt (link) | 20/03/2020
Right, now I'm writing out the month names but there are plenty of old ones that read differently to us before the 12th day when it's obvious of course. I don't know why I thought that would clear anything up. I realized i used to instinctively change lyrics to American spellings too which is ridiculous.
bzfgt
  • 38. bzfgt (link) | 20/03/2020
Yeah the Veloso song doesn't have any surface similarities I can see beyond the title. The title itself could be an allusion of course.
bzfgt
  • 39. bzfgt (link) | 20/03/2020
I mentioned it, anyway, for now at least.
dannyno
  • 40. dannyno | 22/10/2020
According to Greenway, during the Tim Burgess' twitter listening party devoted to New Facts Emerge on 22 October 2020, this "was the very last thing recorded with Mark."

https://twitter.com/ImperialWaxBand/status/1319385342215114758
dannyno
  • 41. dannyno | 22/10/2020
At least, I assume it was Greenway, may not have been. From the @imperialwaxband twitter account anyway.
SB
  • 42. SB | 09/02/2021
Re John Robb's claim that he partly inspired this via his Ed Blaney review, it seems far more likely that this is what prompted the title:

https://louderthanwar.com/the-fall-ersatz-gb-album-review/
dannyno
  • 43. dannyno | 14/02/2021
SBs, comment #42.

I've never particularly bought into the John Robb theory (which doesn't mean that interpretation isn't there to be found), but I see no reason to think that his Ersatz GB review is a more likely reference point, not least because it was published in 2011, years before this song was performed let alone recorded. It's not impossible, obviously, but I don't like it.

In favour or the Robb/Blaney theory is that the Blaney review (https://louderthanwar.com/ed-blaney-urban-nature-album-review-salford-grit-and-wonk-pop-from-fall-acolyte/) was published only 6 months before the live debut (or first documented performance) of the song at York on 19 November 2016.

And we have the 27 Jan 2017 Southampton gig MES reference to John Robb giving "me" nine out of ten. This appears to be the only time we know of where this happened. Perhaps Robb was there and that prompted the comment which then gets read back into the text as though it were an original intention. The Membranes played Southampton just three days before the Fall gig, and I'm not sure if that makes Robb's presence more or less likely (why hang around in Southampton, even to see The Fall?), but it needs noting as a possibility.

And then Robb's July 2017 review of New Facts Emerge where he says (already quoted in the notes):


The final track ‘Nine Out Of Ten’ is an acidic dark humoured snark attack on yours truly for giving Fall mate Ed Blaney’s recent very good album a good review on this site and is all the better for its pointed assault on your author


Thing is, I challenge anyone to look at these lyrics and find any signs of an attack on anyone at all, let alone Robb. There is no "acidic dark humoured snark" attack or "pointed assault" to be found whatsoever, as far as I can see.

Furthermore, while at that York debut the song appeared on the setlist as "9/10", the lyrics refer to 4/10 and 5/10, but not 9/10.

The scrap of lyrics grabbed at the Liverpool gig contains lyrical detail about Truro and blue bottles (also heard at York) that didn't appear on record. It also has "nought out of ten" and "none out of ten". Live recordings show how the lyrics evolved over time.

Robb doesn't say why he thinks the song refers to him (perhaps he was at the Southampton gig or someone told him about it the ad-lib, or perhaps someone else close to MES told him it referred to him). We can't rule it out, and it fits chronologically (if you accept my presumption that MES tends to use recent sources) but I tend to think that any Robb connection is either reverse engineered or that the title began life as a reference to the Blaney review but subsequently evolved out of all recognition. Or perhaps it started with "none out of ten" and changed from there.

The FOF discussion of this song is here: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/thefall/nine-out-of-ten-interpretations-notes-and-queries-t42842.html
bzfgt
  • 44. bzfgt (link) | 08/03/2021
Yeah it seems at least as likely that he took the occasion to point it at Robb at that one gig but I doubt it was the inspiration for the song
John Howard
  • 45. John Howard | 25/05/2021
man, it sure sounds a bit inspired by this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZw8UEe2x_U
bzfgt
  • 46. bzfgt (link) | 05/06/2021
I can definitely hear it, John....although it could be coincidence
dannyno
  • 47. dannyno | 04/07/2021
I can hear what John means too. But I think given the circumstances of its recording it's unlikely to be deliberate.

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