Copped It

Lyrics

(1)

Said I ain't no millionaire
But I spent more money than one ever seen (2)
I'm gonna change that scene one day (3)
It's what you're supposed to say
Hey hey hey hey

(Gavin Friday): Hey hey hey etc. 

Can't get far in land of immovable frogs (4)
Can't get far in home of horrible hoax
And you don't last long on a diet of tea and toast

(GF): Hey hey hey
And I'm singing the song cause I copped it baby
(GF): Sing, sing a song
I steal what I have (5)

Fascist confessions bring detractors
Keeping shtum (6)
Brings dough and attractions
Costello, ideas trenchant borrows (7)
New song benefactor
Is the past tomorrow

Sing, sing a song
I'm singing the song cause I copped it baby

Don't last long
There's guns behind you
Aura of desparate boot licker
And you can't hang on with a cuff of him and girl

I'm singing a song cause I copped it baby

Taking out a policy for love and destruction
Can't operate with this vexation
Say it again, real real gone (8)
I know I've copped but I'm not the only one.

(GF): It ain't what you do it's the way that you do it (9)

I'm singing this song 'cos I copped it baby I'm singing this song to let you know

Notes

1. Like "Oh! Brother," which reëmerged around the same time, this is a song that goes back to at least 1977.

From Dan:

"One of the letters from MES to Tony Friel which appeared temporarily on Friel's website a few years ago included mention of a song called 'Copped' by 'The Outsiders' - The Outsiders being a short-lived early name for the group before they settled on The Fall. The letter is stamped 20 September 1976, so we can perhaps date this song back as far as that?"

Gavin Friday of the Virgin Prunes, who provides guest vocals on the version from The Wonderful and Frightening World of the Fall (marked as "GF"), maintains "We were consciously parodying The Carpenters and Bananarama. Very much so...especially The Carpenters" (see notes 5 and 8 below). Otherwise, the song is either a swipe at plagiarists or an admission of MES's own prodigious borrowing; most likely, it is both ("I know I've copped but I'm not the only one").  In fact, MES's conception of plagiarism is very complex, and "originality" for him is not merely a matter of something's origin, but it depends to which the use made of the heterogenous elements, and the overall aesthetic of the finished product. This sort of idea is becoming rather common--that is, one presumes it was always common aming artists, but it is now a frequently argued (and still very controverial) position in public discourse that the appropriation by an artist of ideas, themes, and even word-for-word unattributed quotes is artisically legitimate if it contributes to an artifact that is aesthtically justified. Such justification is most of all what MES denies of the plagiarists he so often mentions (see the notes to C'n'C-S Mithering for more on this). In fact, it is entirely appropriate that the last line of the song, sung by Gavin Friday but, if the credits are to believed, "written" by Mark E. Smith, is taken from someone else's song, although it is unclear whose--"It Ain't What You Do It's The Way That You Do It" is the title and refrain from the song recorded by The Fun Boy Three (with Bananarama on backing voclas) and adapted from "T'Aint's What You Do It's The Way That You Do It," originally recorded by Jimmy Lunceford and written by Melvin "Sy" Oliver and James "Trummy" Young (see note 8 below). One of those two people probably first wrote (but far more likely selected or adapted) the first version of the phrase that Friday sings. The actual origin of the phrase cannot be known, and how much a phrase has to resemble that one for us to say it is the "same" phrase is not an easy question to answer either. Notebooks out, plagiarists!

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2. On "Goin' Down Slow," written by Willie Dixon, Howlin' Wolf sings "I did not say I was a millionaire.../But I said I have spent more money than a millionaire!" Wolf (Chester Burnett) was a massive (and, particularly in the former case, very detectible) influence on both Captain Beefheart and Iggy Pop, who in turn are two of the central influences on the Fall. Although I can't recall ever seeing MES mention Howlin' Wolf, it seems somewhat likely from what we know about his tastes, and also from some of his vocals, that Wolf was also a direct influence on the Fall. Although Smith doesn't seem to have ever been a blueshound per se, a powerful, authentic, and stylistically unique performer of "roots" music like Wolf is right up his alley. 

To anyone reading the comment section below, Dan's contributions to these notes will be obvious. If a suggestion in the notes is 1. undeniably true, 2. very important, or 3. something I can fruitfully expand or expound on, I put the information in the notes. Comments that do not fulfill any of those three criteria may also make it upstairs, subject to my whims. In any case, comments are always welcome and go on record whether or not I base a note on them. Without reader contributions, this site would not be very good, and Dan is the most prolific contributor here. In fact, his usable contributions are numerous enough that he is virtually a co-author of the site, and anyone who uses any of this material should give him credit where it is appropriate (although he only gives his first name, it should be taken into account that such relatively stable internet identities are readily recognizable within certain contexts). 

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3. Fittingly, this line is also "copped," from the Easybeats' classic international hit from 1966, "Friday on My Mind": "Nothing else that bugs me/More than working for the rich man/Hey, I'll change that scene one day..." Dan notes that this chimes with the singer Gavin Friday's name...

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4. A dig at the French? A reference to Kermit, who sang "Sing" (see note 5 below) on The Mike Douglas Show (a duet with Douglas) in 1977? A reference to the fact that frogs have immovable eyelids? Dan makes the following connection:

"'Copped It,' though an old song, was first performed live in March 1984. The album was released in October. On May 1984, the Paul McCartney written and produced animated film Rupert and the Frog Song came out. In June 1984, the song 'We All Stand Together' from the soundtrack was released. It was re-released later in the year as a Christmas single, when it reached #3 in the charts. In the film, the song is performed by massed ranks of frogs. I can't help linking MES's line to this song."

In 1993's "It's A Curse," MES again employs ranine language to describe "hacks" and "bargain vampires":

Down their long egg breath
Cheap shaving lotion days
Their sandwiches stashed under their side seats
Their froglike chins ready to burst
I tell you, it's a curse.

If none of that makes sense, it's all I've got--start your own damn site. 

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5. Friday's refrain in the backing vocals, "Sing, sing a song," quotes (presumably intentionally) "Sing," written for Sesame Street by Joe Raposo, a composer on the staff of the program who also penned the show's instantly recognizable theme song and "Bein' Green." The latter, somewhat incredibly for a song sung by a frog puppet on a children's show, was covered by Frank Sinatra himself, and the list of versions is long and includes Ray Charles, Shirley Horn, Diana Ross, Buddy Rich, Stan Kenton, Della Reese, Tony Bennett, and Van Morrison (this is far from the whole list, and I haven't included any of the famous recording artists who sang it on Sesame Street). In other words, Raposo had undeniable chops as a songwriter. "Sing" debuted in Episode 0273 (Season Two) on May 26, 1971, and was sung on that occasion by "Susan" and "Miguel" (Loretta Long and Jaime Sánchez), and the Carpenters 1973 recording went to Number Three in the US.

"I steal what I have" reminds me of Paul Muni's famous last words in I Am A Fugitive From A Chain Gang (1933)Muni, whose harrowing portrayal of a fugitive who was wrongly convicted of robbery was probably largely responsible for the ascendence of the cliché "harrowing portrayal" in film criticism, plays a WWI veteran who suffers brutal mistreament in the prison system and escapes to Chicago where he becomes a successful contractor. He is offered a pardon if he returns to Georgia but of course this is a ruse, so he escapes again. At the end Muni finds his fiance, Marie (Glenda Farrell),  to tell her that he is going to disappear from her life forever; when she finally asks him, distraught, "How do you live?" he responds, backing away into the shadows, "I steal!!" 

The scene is powerful even today, but in 1933 the boundaries between polite society and criminals were more patent, at least in fiction...teenagers may have shoplifted in 1933, but today they're expected to.

 

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6. "Shtum" is Yiddish and means speechless.  

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7. A reference to Elvis Costello, whose band was called the Attractions at the time (now it's the Imposters, which would have suited MES's lyrics even better!). And, according to Dan, "His 1977 song 'Less Than Zero' was an attack on British fascist Oswald Mosley, after seeing him interviewed on TV. 'Emotional fascism' appeared on the cover of his album Armed Forces (1979). In 1981, Costello released an album of country covers, 'Almost Blue.'" It would be a bit much, though, if MES meant to slam Costello for recording clearly attributed (and, one hopes--although it's never certain--paid for, but it would not be Costello's fault if they weren't) cover versions in a song (and a career!) where so many lines are borrowed without attribution. 

And in the lead up to the 1983 general election, Costello used "The Imposter" as a pseudonym to release an anti-Thatcher song called "Pills and Soap."

Zack:

The Costello verse might refer to the infamous "Cleveland incident" of 1979 in which E.C.'s "fascist confessions" (actually drunken racist talk) earned him many detractors, whereas keeping shtum might have allowed Elvis and his Attractions to break through in America and earn more dough.

From Dan:

A tweet from @inspiralsband, about the time they did I Want You on Top of the Pops with MES:

https://twitter.com/inspiralsband/status/1253408926990622722
 


On the way back to the dressing room #MarkESmith went into Elvis Costello’s dressing to continue an exchange of views about music that apparently had started in the 70’s.

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8. "Real Real Gone" is a Van Morrison title which, since the song seems to be about "copping" lyrics/music, could be the reference here; Dan points out that Morrison didn't release his own version until 1990, but it was released by Herbie Armstrong (who played guitar for Van Morrison) in 1980. Tom Fogerty released a cover as well (1981). But this does seem an unlikely source of inspiration for MES, and John Reardon reminds us that on "Milkcow Blues Boogie" (1955), Elvis stops the song after a few bars and says "Hold it, fellas--that don't move me! Let's get real, real gone for a change!" This could be, as Reardon suggests, the source for both the Van Morrison number and the song under consideration.

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9. "T'Ain't What You Do It's The Way That You Do It" is a calypso song written by Melvin "Sy" Oliver and James "Trummy" Young, and was originally recorded by Jimmie Lunceford with Harry James and Ella Fitzgerald. The Fun Boy Three, with Bananarama on backing vocals, had a moderate international hit with it (including a Number 3 chart postion in the UK) in 1982, altering the title slightly in order to help us be certain of the reference (nice of them) to "It Ain't What You Do It's The Way That You Do It" (and see note 1 above).

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Comments (57)

dannyno
  • 1. dannyno | 26/04/2013
Said I ain't no millionaire
But I spent more money than one ever seen


Compare with the lyrics to the great Howlin' Wolf's version of "Goin' Down Slow", in which Willie Dixon intones;


I did not say I was a millionaire...
But I said I have spent more money than a millionaire!
dannyno
  • 2. dannyno | 25/05/2013
"sing sing a song" is the Carpenters reference.
dannyno
  • 3. dannyno | 18/08/2013
"Can't get far in land of immovable frogs"

"Copped It", though an old song, was first performed live in March 1984. The album was released in October. On May 1984, the Paul McCartney written and produced animated film "Rupert and the Frog Song" came out. In June 1984, the song "We all stand together" from the soundtrack was released. It was re-released later in the year as a Christmas Single, when it reached #3 in the charts. In the film, the song is performed by massed ranks of frogs. I can't help linking MES's line to this song.
dannyno
  • 4. dannyno | 18/08/2013
Here you go, The Frog Song:'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL1NhrsmUF0

Dan
dannyno
  • 5. dannyno | 03/11/2013
Elvis Costello: His 1977 song "Less Than Zero" was an attack on British fascist Oswald Mosley, after seeing him interviewed on TV. "Emotional fascism" appeared on the cover of his album "Armed Forces" (1979).

In 1981, Costello released an album of country covers, "Almost Blue".

And in the lead up to the 1983 general election, Costello used "The Imposter" as a pseudonym to release an anti-Thatcher song called "Pills and Soap".

"Horrible hoax": maybe a reference to the Hitler Diaries scandal of 1983?

"I'll change that scene one day" is a line from the much-covered Easybeats song, "Friday on my mind".
dannyno
  • 6. dannyno | 05/04/2014
"And you don't last long on a diet of tea and toast"

There's an story from the Daily Mail of 11 November 1976 (p17), about a transport cafe in Boroughbridge, near Harrogate, called the "Copper Kettle".

The owners of the cafe had been forced into bankruptcy, in large part because the lorry drivers who were their main customers were being sent on annual medical examinations which were leading to them cutting down on profitable stodgy food. They were eating tea and toast at 10p a time rather than bangers and mash and pudding at 40p.

You know what? I could imagine another newspaper article about this, headed "Copper Kettle Copped It".

Anyway, I thought it was interesting.
dannyno
  • 7. dannyno | 17/01/2016
"And you don't last long on a diet of tea and toast"

I wonder if might possibly be a reference to Karen Carpenter, who died as a consequence of anorexia in February 1983. The Carpenters are obviously referenced elsewhere in the song.
Martin
  • 8. Martin | 22/04/2016
More evidence that the song is about plagiarism:

21 March 84 Nite Club, Edinburgh:

"I'm singing the song since I stole it baby"
Mark
  • 9. Mark | 21/09/2016
MES at the end, circa 3.59, buried in the mix:

I'm singing this song 'cos I copped it baby
I'm singing this song to let you know
dannyno
  • 10. dannyno | 14/10/2016
Something to note:

NME, 3 July 1982, p.33. Review of Costello's album Imperial Bedroom, by Richard Cook.


Costello has often been charged with creative plagiarism, breaking down other songs and rebuilding them to his own ends: the whole of 'Get Happy!!' was recognised as a Stax/Motown chart turned inside out.
dannyno
  • 11. dannyno | 14/10/2016
One thing to note: "copped" can mean "stolen", which is obvious given the plagiaristic theme, but "copped it" as a phrase more usually means "suffered a punishment", or "died" - perhaps used to convey the sense that someone who died kind of succumbed to their fate.

So there's a double meaning there that I don't see noted hitherto.
bzfgt
  • 12. bzfgt | 15/10/2016
Mark: OK, I stuck it in.

Dan: Good point, I hadn't thought of that.
Zack
  • 13. Zack | 15/01/2017
The Costello verse might refer to the infamous "Cleveland incident" of 1979 in which E.C.'s "fascist confessions" (actually drunken racist talk) earned him many detractors, whereas keeping shtum might have allowed Elvis and his Attractions to break through in America and earn more dough.
Zack
  • 14. Zack | 23/01/2017
"Copped It" is immediately followed on the LP by "Elves", The Fall's most egregious instance of copping a riff. Unintentional irony, or deliberate?
bzfgt
  • 15. bzfgt | 04/02/2017
Maybe but it seems to me he's talking about lyrical or musical ideas here, his music was certainly considered trenchant by many. I know the story you allude to and it seems odd to finger that for "borrowing."
dannyno
  • 16. dannyno | 15/08/2017
"real real gone"

I'm assuming at this point that most of the lyrics are borrowed from other songs - certainly many are. Just to note here that "Real Real Gone" is a song written by Van Morrison. He didn't release his own version until 1990, but it was released by Herbie Armstrong (who played guitar for Van Morrison) in 1980. Tom Fogerty released a cover as well (1981).
dannyno
  • 17. dannyno | 04/09/2017
One of the letters from MES to Tony Friel which appeared temporarily on Friel's website a few years ago included mention of a song called "Copped" by "The Outsiders" - The Outsiders being a short-lived early name for the group before they settled on The Fall. The letter is stamped 20 September 1976, so we can perhaps date this song back as far as that?
Rusty
  • 18. Rusty | 25/11/2017
probably not correct, but I hear 'fox' not 'frogs' up there (despite Paul McCartney and Aristophanes) and that fits well in the rhyme scheme of fox / hoax / toast

not to mention 'Vixen' which may or may not have been an affectionate name for Brix at that time (and via 'Brixton' of course)

is there a pub in M/C called the Ignoble Fox or somesuch?

worth a stab
dannyno
  • 19. dannyno | 26/11/2017
Rusty, comment #18. But "fox" doesn't rhyme with either "hoax" or "toast", any more than "frogs" does. I still hear "frogs".

Did you read the notes to Vixen here? It's Brix's song.

Dan
bzfgt
  • 20. bzfgt (link) | 02/12/2017
I don't know; "fox" sounds just possible but it sounds more "frogs" to me.
Fred
  • 21. Fred | 31/12/2017
The last line of verse three here
'Is the past tomorrow'
I have always heard as
'It's the past - tomorrow!'
an assertion as opposed to a question.
I have been listening since the album came out, the Doomsday Triad being my favorite Fall period.
bzfgt
  • 22. bzfgt (link) | 04/01/2018
OK Fred I'll check that next time I come here, I am sunk too deep into the Grateful Dead tonight but I made a note of it.
bzfgt
  • 23. bzfgt (link) | 10/02/2018
Fred, it's a close run thing but I still hear "is the past tomorrow." I'm not saying you're wrong, but let's adopt the hypothesis for a moment that you are--if it is really, really close either way, and you at first became convinced you heard that, then with vocals low in the mix it's not hard to imagine you'd continue to hear it. As I say you might be right, but purely phonetically I still am getting "is." It would be instructive to compare live versions here. I do not have any to hand...maybe someone else will check into it.
dannyno
  • 24. dannyno | 04/03/2018
Still sounds like "is the past tomorrow" to me.
dannyno
  • 25. dannyno | 04/03/2018
"Immovable fox", though. Hm. Could be that on the Brixton Brockwell Park, GLC Festival, 4 August 1984, live version.

Some live versions just have "there's tongues behind you" at that point.

Munich, 4 April 1984 sounds like something to do with an insurance box.

The Saturday Live BBC sessions like "immovable frocks".

So heaven knows.
bzfgt
  • 26. bzfgt (link) | 17/03/2018
Yeah maybe "frocks"
Basmikel
  • 27. Basmikel | 13/06/2018
Not really worth a note, but since it's in the "Costello verse" (I too think the Colombus incident is relevant re: fascist confessions) I thought I'd mention that there's a song on the Trust LP with the chorus "Yesterday's news is tomorrow's Fish & Chip Paper" a propos the past tomorrow line.
Orlando
  • 28. Orlando | 22/03/2019
The tea and toast lyric reminds me of Down And Out In Paris And London:

An ordinary London coffee shop, like a thousand others…’Can I have some tea and bread and butter?’ I said to the girl.

She stared. ‘No butter, only marg,” she said, surprised. And she repeated the order in the phrase that is to London what the eternal coup de rouge is to Paris: ‘Large tea and two slices!’

.. “Food..had come to mean simply bread and margarine, which will cheat hunger for an hour or two,”
Smychka Mayakovsky
  • 29. Smychka Mayakovsky | 30/01/2020
Zack's comment: 'The Costello verse might refer to the infamous "Cleveland incident" of 1979 in which E.C.'s "fascist confessions" (actually drunken racist talk) earned him many detractors, whereas keeping shtum might have allowed Elvis and his Attractions to break through in America and earn more dough.'

This seems more likely that Smith making a comment about Costello's songs and country covers album. The word 'confessions' implies that someone is confessing fascist views or thereabouts - in vino veritas, perhaps.
bzfgt
  • 30. bzfgt (link) | 01/02/2020
OK I put it in. Could be.
Bob
  • 31. Bob | 02/02/2020
'Can't get far in home of horrible hoax'

A possible (no proof) a reference to this.
'Thatchergate was the colloquial title of a hoax perpetrated by members of the anarcho-punk band Crass during the aftermath of the 1982 Falklands War...coverage of the tape by the UK broadsheet The Observer in January 1984 identified the true source as Crass.'

It would have been revealed just before the song was recorded and with Mark's views he may have thought it was horrible.
bzfgt
  • 32. bzfgt (link) | 07/03/2020
What was the hoax? If we could get one thing more suggesting/linking it besides it's existence as aa contemporary hoax MES might deplore, it's worth serious consideration...if not, it has been recorded here for future heads in any event
dannyno
  • 33. dannyno | 02/04/2020
Brix Smith Start, during the @Tim_Burgess curated TWAFWOTF ##timstwitterlisteningparty on 2nd April 2020, said:


Mark loved the Virgin Prunes. At home he had a s7” called Sandpaper Lullaby. I become ocd obsessed with it. I suggested Mark ask Gavin Friday to come and duet. Gavin said yes! “ It ain’t whatcha you do, it’s the way that you do it“


I asked about the Woodie Brothers, but didn't get a response sadly.

https://twitter.com/Brixsmithstart/status/1245820900685029376
dannyno
  • 34. dannyno | 03/04/2020
Note 3, Friday on My Mind..

Never occurred to me before today, but pleasing Gavin Friday/Friday on My Mind link going on here. Deliberately? I hope so.

Might be more like that...
bzfgt
  • 35. bzfgt (link) | 10/04/2020
Oh yeah, the Friday thing now seems obvious
Bambino Tostare
  • 36. Bambino Tostare | 16/05/2020
To weigh in, as usual in a timely and essential fashion, on the "Costello, ideas trenchant borrows" line: MES was notorious for thinking that other people had stolen his ideas. For example, from the Messing Up The Paintwork book (that's where I found the quote, I don't know where it originates): “There was a time when I asked Mark if he’d heard that ‘Under Pressure’ song that Bowie did with Queen and he just said, ‘Yeah! They ripped that bass-line off “An Older Lover” on Slates. ‘” — Brix Smith".

I always assumed that something similar had happened here - that MES had heard some Elvis Costello & The Attractions song which was vaguely similar to a Fall song in some way and become convinced it had been "copped" by Costello.
dannyno
  • 37. dannyno | 18/05/2020
A tweet from @inspiralsband, about the time they did I Want You on Top of the Pops with MES:

https://twitter.com/inspiralsband/status/1253408926990622722


On the way back to the dressing room #MarkESmith went into Elvis Costello’s dressing to continue an exchange of views about music that apparently had started in the 70’s.
John Reardon
  • 38. John Reardon | 03/07/2020
Rather than it being an allusion to an unrecorded Van Morrison song (yeah right), "real real gone" is obviously referencing Elvis's famous intro to Milk Cow Blues ("let's get real, real gone for a change"), which no doubt Morrison is alluding to as well.
dannyno
  • 39. dannyno | 18/11/2020
In John Cooper Clarke's memoir, I Wanna Be Yours (2020), he uses the word "cop" to mean "score drugs". Specifically usually heroin in his case, but I don't know how specific the slang is.
dannyno
  • 40. dannyno | 18/11/2020
... And no particular reason to think that's MES usage here. Although it could be a connotation for some listeners.
bzfgt
  • 41. bzfgt (link) | 21/02/2021
No I think "cop" could be any drug, but it's basically the same as here
dannyno
  • 42. dannyno | 28/06/2021
The annotation for this song from the sleevenotes to the Wonderful and Frightening World of... album reads:


Composer here, muddled in thought, confusing 'being caught' for 'stealing freely'
dannyno
  • 43. dannyno | 31/12/2021
This is curious.


Fascist confessions bring detractors
Keeping shtum
Brings dough and attractions
Costello, ideas trenchant borrows


From Sounds, 30th December 1978, Dave McCullough review of Elvis Costello.

(Sounds magazine, 30 December 1978)


'Course, the Elvis Costello backlash is as inevitable as 1979. Anybody who's experienced such meteoric and world wide success through writing a bunch of songs sprinkled with 'I don't wannas', the lyrical thrust of which is generally 'you all suck the big one whereas I'm a pretty neat sorta guy' and who still finds time to fit in his old hobby of giving journalists plastic surgery without the option is bound to find a few detractors.

But those detractors would do well to see what they're dealing with...


There's no documentation of Copped It being played in its original incarnation after December 1977, but evidently MES continued to work on the song before its revival in 1984, and so it's not impossible he added lyrics from time to time, and could have noticed this piece.

But obviously I'm hanging a lot on the single word "detractors".
dannyno
  • 44. dannyno | 26/03/2022

Fascist confessions bring detractors
Keeping shtum
Brings dough and attractions
Costello, ideas trenchant borrows
New song benefactor
Is the past tomorrow


I wonder if MES read the Costello Less Than Zero review in Sounds, 26 March 1977?

https://twitter.com/dannyno_01/status/1507662441009790977/photo/1


ELVIS COSTELLO: 'Less Than Zero' (Stiff). It's spot the rip-off time, as a cross between Graham Parker and Brinsley Schwarz (the group) takes a wander through the pop history book in search of suitable riffs. The B-side is a little more palatable, but why bother when there's still B. Schwarz albums that do it far better. With records like this Stiff isn't reversing into tomorrow so much as going forward into the past.
dannyno
  • 45. dannyno | 26/03/2022
"Reversing into tomorrow", by the way, was a slogan that appeared on the reverse of the "Less Than Zero" single.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOxNrNpWQAAa1-k?format=jpg&name=small
dannyno
  • 46. dannyno | 26/03/2022
The review, just worked out how to post it!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOxKJXSX0AAqC9C?format=jpg&name=medium
Avsp
  • 47. Avsp | 22/04/2022
'copped it' can also mean 'realised' as in 'worked out'. So "You're copped as I've just copped where you copped that riff from".

Also both Parker & the Brinsleys had links to the bosses at Stiff, so Costello might be seen as a bit craven in brown-nosing up to them by appealing to their 'pub rock' tastes.

Equally tho Riviera & Robinson were very 'knowing' & used many in-jokes in their promotions, so may've chosen the 'reversing' tagine coz they were boasting that their new act was ripping off their old ones.
dannyno
  • 48. dannyno | 14/06/2022
Another review to use the "past tomorrow" type reference.

"Elvis today, tomorrow...?", review of "My Aim is True" by Chas de Whalley, from Sounds, 11 June 1977, p.33:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FU9d8PpWYAAKPaf?format=jpg
dannyno
  • 49. dannyno | 28/07/2022
Evidence of MES using the phrase "copped it" to mean "died". This doesn't mean, of course, that this is necessarily what the title of the song means. But perhaps we can allow ourselves to interpret something of a double meaning?

From Q Maverick: Mark E Smith by Ted Kessler, Q magazine, July 2015:


“Perhaps,” he ruminates, “if I’d copped it, died in the ’80s, The Fall would be a much bigger band. Being dead seems to help. But then, there’d be a lot less good Fall albums. So that’s an irony.”


Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20190816070919/https://www.qthemusic.com/articles/mark-e-smiths-final-q-interview
Rob
  • 50. Rob | 07/01/2023
Frogs are railroad mechanisms that allow trains to be switched from one track to another. An immovable frog would obviously make this not possible - hence you can't get far. That's my best guess
dannyno
  • 51. dannyno | 11/01/2023
From Gavin Friday's Foreword to Always Different, Always the Same: Critical Essays on The Fall, edited by Eoin Devereux and Martin J. Power (2022):


When I arrived for the recording sessions, I had no idea of what he wanted me to do. All I remember was the group constantly putting down some very loud music nonstop. I had no sense as to what the lyrics might be. So, we went to a nearby pub and Mark pulled out some pieces of paper from a plastic carrier bag—envelopes, cigarette boxes, etc.—with bits of lyrics written on them...[snip]... For ‘Copped It’, which is a big noisy, niggling, relentless monster of a song, he cackled at me, jokingly but serious, to do ‘your Johnny Rotten trying to be David Bowie’ vocal … ‘they’ve Copped It….’ He hated both of them at the time! It was a live take, had no words, and was just improvising, but the noise was so loud I couldn’t hear myself, so out [of] desperation, with tongue in cheek, I ranted à la Lydon a line from an old Carpenters’ song as my starting point. ‘Sing … Sing a Song’. Mark loved that and pushed me no end. This recording process involved having a full PA set up in the studio as a monitor system. It was something that had to be seen and heard to be believed. So loud was the sound that my ears were deaf for days afterwards.
dannyno
  • 52. dannyno | 03/06/2023
"Can't get far in land of immoveable frogs".

If this doesn't have it's origins in "The Frog Song", as I previously suggested, then maybe it has something to do with the 1972 horror film Frogs, starring MES-fave Ray Milland.

Frogs was shown on Granada TV on 5 September 1977. I cannot hear the line in the earliest available live versions of the song from earlier in 1977. So that works. And nor can I hear it on live recordings from earlier in 1984.

That matters because Frogs was also shown on 15 June 1984 (also Granada). At that point the line appears to be something to do with an insurance hoax. However, the album The Wonderful and Frightening World Of... was recorded mid-1984. So perhaps this fits.

On the other hand, early lyrics seems to refer to "insurance box" as well as "insurance hoax". Sometimes the box is immoveable. So perhaps we're mishearing and it should be "immoveable box". But it doesn't sound like "box" on record.
dannyno
  • 53. dannyno | 03/06/2023
The Omnibus edition of Wonderful and Frightening... dates the recording of this song to July/August 1984, so if we do want to say that the line that is apparently "immoveable frogs" owes something to the Milland film, then it does fit chronologically with the 15 June broadcast.
dannyno
  • 54. dannyno | 03/06/2023
Live versions include unambiguous mention of David Bowie, as Gavin Friday says, and Elvis Costello. I haven't listened closely enough to make sense of it all yet.

References in the live versions to "insurance hoax" made me wonder about contemporary or cultural references, or links to Bowie or John Lydon.

There is the 1966 Billy Wilder film The Fortune Cookie, starring Jack Lemmon and Walter Matthau. A possibility?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fortune_Cookie
dannyno
  • 55. dannyno | 03/06/2023
No references to insurance in any of the live versions from 1977 that I've heard, except for "taking out a policy for love and destruction" in the 23 December Stretford recording. The Fortune Cookie was shown on BBC 2 on 3 December 1977.

But it was also aired in December 1980.

Really need to look at the live versions of the lyrics in detail.
Mark Oliver
  • 56. Mark Oliver | 20/09/2023
From memory, that Costello incident took place with Stephen Stills and members of his group. Costello wanted to wind up and piss off Stills and co., and stupidly, drunkenly, used racist terms in relation to some black US performers (whom he almost certainly admired, in reality). He has since apologised for the incident. One detail which sticks with me from this was when, in a reference to Stills' nasal damage from his cocaine habit, Costello told him '' Fuck off, Steel Nose''.
dannyno
  • 57. dannyno | 24/10/2023
A lyric sheet for this turned up in the Omega Auctions sale of MES-estate memorabilia, 21 November 2023:

https://goauctionomega.blob.core.windows.net/stock/40344-2.jpg?v=63833671724987

No dating clues, other than possibly the references to Elvis Costello, which is frustrating as we know this song evolved over a number of years.

Worth listening to these differences to what we have here:

"There's tons behind you" rather than "there's guns behind you".

"Cut of him and her" instead of "cuff and him and girl".

"Ideas drench the boros" instead of "ideas trenchant borrows".

"Immoveable box" not "Immoveable frogs".

"Insurance hoax" rather than "horrible hoax"

(I think "horrible" is what is on record, but "insurance" can be heard on various bootlegs as I already noted on annotated fall, and it seems this line evolved in particular).

There's an appearance of "coptic" instead of "copped it" at one point, and various other bits that aren't on record.

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