What You Need

Lyrics

(1)

How can I? How can I? How can I? 

Get up, make a buck 
Get up, make a buck 
My race was bred on hash
My race was bred on hash
Get up, make a buck, 
Get up, make a buck. 
The stolen dark 
Please don't [muffled].

What you need [band]
How can I? 
What you need [band
How can I? 
What you need [band
What you need [band]

Turn down a corner I 
Been bleeding some itch 
What you need [band
How can I? 
What you need [band
What you need [MES
What you need [MES and band
An oven mitt 
What you need for your verbose kitchen 
What you need [MES and band
Present notebook for you 
What you need [MES and band
A vid of Iggy Stooge.                 (2)
What you need [MES and band
Whay you need [MES and band
Reduced smoking habit 
What you need [MES and band
Sex but not having it 
What you need [MES
One face 
Two face new 
What you need [band
Slippery shoes for your horrible feet (3)
We're obsessed with [MES and band
What you need [MES
What you need is to love her so much 
What you need is us as pressure group 
Out of reach 
What you need [band
On this we're all agreed 
What you need [MES and band
One: Face with girl past 
What you need 
Two: a profile that is low-key
And to meet your horrible new dad 
With a grudge against me 
What you need [MES and band
What you need [band
Is a censor for pals like these. 
What you need [MES and band
What you need [band
What you need [MES and band
What you need is 
One. What face? 
Two: face new 
Three. Face mag for arse  (4)
Four. Three rules of audience  (5)
Five. Mug of Geoff Travis, framed (6)
Six. The book Theft is Vision by the brothers Copeland. (7)
What you need [MES
Finance luck 
What you need [band
What you need [MES
Out of reach 
What you need [band
What you need [MES
What you need [MES
What you need [band
Get up, make a buck 
What you need [band
How can I? 
What you need [band
How can I? 
What you need [band
How can I? 
What you need

Notes

1. Reformation has reproduced the following helpful remarks:

Mark E Smith, from an interview in BravEar magaizine, 1985: "What You Need is a Twilight Zone episode where this old peddler sells this guy what he needs. I got it mixed up with this other Twilight Zone episode which is "The Four of Us Are Dying", where this guy could change his face by looking at a face in the newspaper and have it become his face. It's just a crazy song, really, just images. But it's also...the main theme of the song is that there are a lot of people in Britain, and a lot of people in America, too, telling people what they need. And in America, especially. I find this really scary."

The Twilight Zone episode is actually "What You Need" is based on a short story of the same name by Lewis Padgett (a pseudonym for Henry Kuttner and C.L. Moore). Dan points out that it was shown in Britain as a double bill with The Four of Us Are Dying twice in 1983, which could be one reason why they blended together in MES's imagination.

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2. Or "Iggy's stooge." MES "confirms" this in an interview with BravEar Vol. 3 Issue 5 (1986) by Michael Lang. Unfortunately, there's no way to know if he heard the interviewer saying "Iggy's stooge," or if he just thought he was saying "Iggy Stooge" (the vocal could easily be either):

BE: On "What You Need" you say a "bit" of Iggy's Stooge, is that right?

MS: A vid, a video.

BE: Of Iggy's Stooge

Iggy Pop was credited as Iggy Stooge on the first Stooges album.

^

3. In the Twilight Zone episode "What You Need," a peddlar has the ability to sell people the exact thing they need, before they need it. This leads to his being harassed by a small-time crook; eventually, he gives the latter a pair of shoes with slippery soles, and the thug slips in front of an oncoming car and is killed instantly (in this case, the peddlar came up with what he needed).  

^

4. The Face was a British music, fashion and culture magazine in the 1980s.

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5. This phrase initially appears in "C'n'C-S Mithering" from Grotesque. We are not told what the rules actually are in that song, either; however, at least once, MES reportedly stated the rules as follows: "'No requests - you do not pay us enough to dictate our actions,'  'we do not play for the ghost dance' and 'if you don't like it, it's already too late.'" The Ghost Dance was a Native American religious movement which spread throughout various tribes in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It was based on a prophecy that performing the dance would unite Indians with their dead ancestors, unify the tribes, and bring an end to white colonialism. The Ghost Dance is also mentioned in "2nd Dark Age."

Joseph points out that this may be a reference to Death Cult's track "Ghost Dance." Notice, however, that the "rule" about Ghost Dance is reported, accurately or not, from 1979, and "Ghost Dance" came out in 1983.

^

6. Geoff Travis is the founder of Rough Trade records, for whom the Fall recorded several albums, and an associated chain of record stores with the same name; the relationship between Smith and Travis was reportedly not always harmonious. According to Smith:

Rough Trade were soft, boring hippies. They'd go, Er, the tea boy doesn't like the fact that you've slagged off Wah! Heat on this number. And fuckin'...the girl who cooks the fuckin' rice in the canteen doesn't like the fact that you've used the word 'slags'. They had a whole meeting over the fact that we mentioned guns in one song. Y'know...it is not the policy of Rough Trade to be supporting fuckin'... And I'd go, What the fuck has it got to do with you? Just fuckin' sell the record you fuckin' hippy.

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7. Miles Copeland is the founder of Step Forward records, for whom the Fall recorded DragnetMark E. Smith, whose relations with record labels, it should be said, has rarely been blissful, once called him a "glorified conman." Ian Copeland was a promoter and booking agent, and Stewart Copeland is best known for being the drummer of the Police.  

From the interview cited in note 2 above:

BE:...Then 3 rules of audience, same as from Cash-n-Carry, and then it is the book, "Death Is Vision" by the brothers Copeland.

MS: No, it's just a private joke, Miles Copeland, who used to own IRS and manages the Police, "Theft as Vision." And his brother who runs FBI, and his other brother is the drummer for the Police. He's never paid us any royalties in 5 years, from Dragnet and that, he just paid us 2 weeks ago. Meanwhile, you see Miles Copeland get up and talk at the Conservative Party conference about his ideas for a new Britain. "Why can't we stop all this defeatism in Britain?" I mean the guy is American. He had this program on TV, and it's very strange 'cause we got our money about a week before this program went on where he's talking to all these Liverpool lads and saying, "You can get out of this, say I offered you a record deal." It was a real sick program. And these guys were going, "well I don't want to dress like a fool." These guys were really great. And he'd scream "let's say I offered you 500 thousand pounds to sign with me on my label!" And the guy would go, "it depends on what you were going to offer me...look, I just want to be a bass player." So, Copeland: "you are so defeatist here, you've been brainwashed by the Marxists." Unbelievable. The guy hasn't paid his own fucking debts, he's a glorified con man. Going around telling Britain how to live, and probably America as well, he's got the Bangles...he was brought up in a completely privileged...his father was a CIA hitman. And lives in St. John's Woods. And he's shouting at these Liverpool kids who have been brought up in abject poverty that they haven't got enough drive! Incredible. There was such a reaction to him in Britain, even the rightwingers were going 'the man is an idiot.'

Dan reports: "Miles Copeland spoke to the Conservative Party conference in 1985. The TV programme was part of a Channel 4 series which had various famous people give their view of Britain.

Copeland did the first programme in the series, which was broadcast on Saturday 8th February 1986, at 8pm."

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Comments (31)

John
  • 1. John | 01/08/2013
The Dad reference is about Brix's father
Tam
  • 2. Tam | 24/08/2014
SHEER pedantry here, but the refrain of "What you need" between the lyrics "Present notebook for you" and "A vid of Iggy Stooge" is sung only by MES, not MES and the band.
dannyno
  • 3. dannyno | 04/05/2016
According to Brix Smith-Start's autobiography, The Rise, The Fall, and The Rise:


'What You Need' melds two Twilight Zone episodes together.
bzfgt
  • 4. bzfgt | 24/06/2016
Already got that from MES, note 1.
Jeff Wheeler
  • 5. Jeff Wheeler | 07/01/2017
Just watched this TZ episode. Is it clear that the the 2nd rule of audience refers to the North American Ghost Dance religion? It seems rather far from MES' usual subject interests and a very, if not THE most, confusing way to refuse Rough-Trade style left wing didacticism in pop music. Also his erstwhile interest in pulp parapsychology might seem to suggest something else
bzzzfffgttt
  • 6. bzzzfffgttt | 04/02/2017
Hey, Jeff! Answer my texts and emails a bit more, a rate of 35% response would be acceptable. Do I wish to shout into a void? Maybe, but anyway, I do not at all think that MES's comment is necessarily reflective of whatever the hell he was talking about when he wrote the lyric, I merely report that he said it. But what are you thinking of with the pulp parapsychology?
bbbzzzfffgttt
  • 7. bbbzzzfffgttt | 04/02/2017
Oh, sorry, I see--it was I who assumed it meant the Ghost Dance and not some other ghost dance. Sorry, I can be a bit slow. If you can come up with an alternate theory I could maybe make a really good correction, but for now I'll do what I can.
dannyno
  • 8. dannyno | 16/03/2017
MES, another quote from the BravEar Interview (1986) mentioned in note #1
http://thefall.org/news/000326.html


BE: On "What You Need" you say a "bit" of Iggy's Stooge, is that right?

MS: A vid, a video.

BE: Of Iggy's Stooge, OK. Then 3 rules of audience, same as from Cash-n-Carry, and then it is the book, "Death Is Vision" by the brothers Copeland.

MS: No, it's just a private joke, Miles Copeland, who used to own IRS and manages the Police, "Theft as Vision." And his brother who runs FBI, and his other brother is the drummer for the Police. He's never paid us any royalties in 5 years, from Dragnet and that, he just paid us 2 weeks ago. Meanwhile, you see Miles Copeland get up and talk at the Conservative Party conference about his ideas for a new Britain. "Why can't we stop all this defeatism in Britain?" I mean the guy is American. He had this program on TV, and it's very strange 'cause we got our money about a week before this program went on where he's talking to all these Liverpool lads and saying, "You can get out of this, say I offered you a record deal." It was a real sick program. And these guys were going, "well I don't want to dress like a fool." These guys were really great. And he'd scream "let's say I offered you 500 thousand pounds to sign with me on my label!" And the guy would go, "it depends on what you were going to offer me...look, I just want to be a bass player." So, Copeland: "you are so defeatist here, you've been brainwashed by the Marxists." Unbelievable. The guy hasn't paid his own fucking debts, he's a glorified con man. Going around telling Britain how to live, and probably America as well, he's got the Bangles...he was brought up in a completely privileged...his father was a CIA hitman. And lives in St. John's Woods. And he's shouting at these Liverpool kids who have been brought up in abject poverty that they haven't got enough drive! Incredible. There was such a reaction to him in Britain, even the rightwingers were going 'the man is an idiot.'
bzfgt
  • 9. bzfgt (link) | 23/03/2017
That sucks. For all we know the interviewer spelled it and then cut it down for aesthetic reasons but as it stands we don't know if MES heard him as saying "Iggy's stooge."
Robert
  • 10. Robert | 23/10/2017
Iggy Pop was credited as "Iggy Stooge" on the first Stooges album.
dannyno
  • 11. dannyno | 17/11/2018
Note 7.

By the way, the Miles Copeland TV programme was part of a Channel 4 series which had various famous people give their view of Britain.

Copeland did the first programme in the series, which was broadcast on Saturday 8th February 1986, at 8pm:

http://dannyno.org.uk/copelandtv.jpg

(image from the Guardian, 8/2/1986, p.30.
dannyno
  • 12. dannyno | 17/11/2018
And Copeland spoke to the Conservative Party conference in 1985.

More on that TV programme: https://www.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/4ce2b74aabc86
dannyno
  • 13. dannyno | 16/12/2018
Research I published on the FOF suggests that the reason MES mixed up Twilight episodes "What You Need" and "Four of Us are Dying" was probably because they were broadcast as double bill:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/thefall/the-twilight-zone-and-the-fall-t23314-s68.html
bzfgt
  • 14. bzfgt (link) | 19/01/2019
Jesus Christ, Dan, I finally had to cmnd-F "double bill" to find anything in that post of yours...you like to show your work, I'll say that...but it does show how much work you do which is of course always appreciated, even if only a fraction of the result is relevant!
Joseph
  • 15. Joseph | 30/01/2019
I always thought that the Ghost Dance thing was a shot at Death Cult
dannyno
  • 16. dannyno | 01/02/2019
Would anyone have remembered the Ghost Dance track (released 1983) by 1985? They were just "the Cult" by then of course. But I've previously drawn attention to the Patti Smith and Prince Buster songs, which are older, so...

If it's a "shot", what is the "shot" exactly? Not much there, really?
bzfgt
  • 17. bzfgt (link) | 16/03/2019
Note that the "rule" about Ghost Dance is reported, accurately or not, from 1979...and the cartoonist says "I knew what the Ghost Dance is" which seems to me to imply, for whatever it may be worth, that he at least thought it referred to the Indian movement (unless there is another phenomenon by that name which he and the interviewer seem to think is well-known enough not to need explanation).
bzfgt
  • 18. bzfgt (link) | 16/03/2019
I hadn't known that song, I like it a lot better than the stuff I heard from them when they were "The Cult."
bzfgt
  • 19. bzfgt (link) | 16/03/2019
We're talking about a song from 1985 and asking if anyone could have remembered a song from 1983, in 1985?
dannyno
  • 20. dannyno | 22/03/2019
Memories are notoriously frail when it comes to songs by Death Cult.
jensotto
  • 21. jensotto | 19/04/2019
Father Copeland was in middle-eastern politics (when 3rd Reich'ers were active in North-Africa), discussed Philby on BBC in 1970 and later featured as ex-CIA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Copeland_Jr. + The Game Player https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/184826220ac34cefa6901e2b1559e02f

Genome has some options for what you need, apart from 1983 TZ
bzfgt
  • 22. bzfgt (link) | 27/04/2019
Comment #20: who?
bzfgt
  • 23. bzfgt (link) | 27/04/2019
jensotto, in general I want to thank you for your recent spate of comments, you take things to the next level of detail which I feel isn't always needed in the notes, but is nice to have here in the comments (for all to read)
dannyno
  • 24. dannyno | 28/03/2020
Re: Ghost Dance

Just to point out that the discussion of "ghost dance" in the entry here for 2nd Dark Age includes my point that Madness' song The Prince quotes from Prince Buster's song Ghost Dance. But we don't know MES' intentions, of course.
Pregnant
  • 25. Pregnant | 24/10/2020
Please don't [muffled]. = Please call the guard
Please (muffled)

(At least on the Fiend with Violin version)

He also seems to sing 'What you need is a centre for pals like these.'

Also was the title of that album a play on the film 'Fiend without a face?'
dannyno
  • 26. dannyno | 25/10/2020
Comment #25: Fiend Without a Face? I don't think so, because it has other associations. But it might be worth a watch anyway.

Fiend with a Violin was an alternative title for 2 x 4: the connotations of the concept are set out in note 1 to the entry here for that song: http://annotatedfall.doomby.com/pages/the-annotated-lyrics/2-x-4.html

See also the You Must Get Them All blog entry for Fall compilations 1981-98 (post #26), which includes my identification of the George Cruikshank source of the cover for the Fiend with a Violin compilation.

https://youmustgetthemall.wordpress.com/2019/08/03/ymgta-26-fall-compilations-1981-98/
dannyno
  • 27. dannyno | 26/01/2021
From "Creek Show", by Edwin Pouncey (aka Savage Pencil of course) in Sounds, 28 September 1985, pp.6-7.

Brix, p.6:


"Twilight Zone is a really big influence on all of us, me and Mark mostly. 'What You Need' from the new album is the title of a Twilight Zone episode."

Brix relates the plot of the 'What You Need' episode, which was the story of a pedlar who can foretell the future of prospective customers and provides them with 'what they need' to alter their impending circumstances. Eventually the old pedlar forsees his own doom - at the hands of a murderer who's out to profit from his gift of second sight - and gives him something that saves his own life.
Ian Copestick
  • 28. Ian Copestick | 06/02/2022
In the Twilight Zone episode, it was a woman who sold the man his slippy shoes, not a man.
dannyno
  • 29. dannyno | 15/02/2022
Comment #28.

Incorrect, in the episode "the man" (Fred Renard) simply takes the shoes from Pedott the peddler's case. Pedott is also male.

Renard was not sold the shoes, and nor was Pedott female.

See from 4:26 in this clip:
https://youtu.be/ecGoP9VeZf8?t=266
dannyno
  • 30. dannyno | 15/02/2022
Proper link:

dannyno
  • 31. dannyno | 04/11/2023
The Buzzcocks' rules of audience, Sounds 4 November 1978:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-E7tcrXgAAEyCY?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

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